Bledisloe 1
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
i know right, i think thats whats gets me, the people that get dropped after playing well and those that keep playing after playing poorly...hence my suspicion fozzie does his selections based on Rugby Challenge 19 player ratings
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
i know right, i think thats whats gets me, the people that get dropped after playing well and those that keep playing after playing poorly...hence my suspicion fozzie does his selections based on Rugby Challenge 19 player ratings
It's possible that Foster & Schmidt are happy with Reece and see him as a safe option and a shoe-in for RWC2023, but are concerned with Will Jordan's form and want to give him as much game-time as possible to come right.
Might disagree, but it makes sense.
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Hmmm. I see the akira is awesome posts again. Bloody well show us please akira with a dominant display off the bench rather than an ok-ish one.
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
Hmmm. I see the akira is awesome posts again. Bloody well show us please akira with a dominant display off the bench rather than an ok-ish one.
Kinda agree. Hugely talented and to Foster's credit, he's done well with Akira compared to Hansen and Akira has responded to that.
Not too sure where he fits into the game-plan, but agree he needs to perform from the bench as we don't have the luxury of giving him a start against lesser teams, sadly.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
i know right, i think thats whats gets me, the people that get dropped after playing well and those that keep playing after playing poorly...hence my suspicion fozzie does his selections based on Rugby Challenge 19 player ratings
Yes and no.
Fan of Reece. But who to leave out? Your choices are JB or CC.
On form, Will Jordan gets a rest.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
On form, Will Jordan gets a rest.
Or Schmidt & Foster want to give him one more chance to find form. The bounce of the ball hasn't gone his way recently and perhaps he's a confidence player
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones i dont actually disagree with anything you're saying...i just dont know why anyone would be SO against just seeing him in what i thought was generally accepted as his best position
Because he's been lackadaisical and uncommitted and that would be exposed brutally at fullback against a side who see this as probably their best chance in 20 years to get a hand on the bledisloe and perhaps even a win at EP.
I don't know why anyone would be SO for taking such a risk.
You can't hide a shit fullback at fullback.
going to have to just leave this one then, i dont think hes a shit fullback so we're starting from very different places
He's pretty good at super rugby.
So is Codie Taylor.
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
He's pretty good at super rugby.
So is Codie Taylor.So is Scott Robertson...
(Lights blue touchpaper and retires to safe distance)
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Nepia im grasping at straws here but i thought he played much better than expected last time he played at 6?....didn;t he?
I actually think his game against England was better than this year, but he's still not a 6.
@Winger said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Nepia im grasping at straws here but i thought he played much better than expected last time he played at 6?....didn;t he?
Thats as I remember it. The consensus was he went well
Bro, I posted a few weeks back that I think the Fern has lost the plot with the consensus rating of Scooter this year. As discussed then he seems to look the part more than be the part. But he's had low metres and high missed tackle stats a few times this year while appearing regularly in the MOTM voting.
Anyway, I hope he lives up to the hype and has a good game on Thursday.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 1:
But he's had low metres and high missed tackle stats a few times this year while appearing regularly in the MOTM voting.
TBF, his work rate has been bloody good though.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
I would pick anyone over Frizell. Robinson, Jacobson, Blackadder, hell even PGS at 6.
But I’ll admit in the two wins vs Boks & Argentina Frizell has been solid. Has done all the dirty work, cleans, hard carry’s that you need from a 6 when playing with Ardie. He’s also been a threat in the line outs.
@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
I would pick anyone over Frizell. Robinson, Jacobson, Blackadder, hell even PGS at 6.
But I’ll admit in the two wins vs Boks & Argentina Frizell has been solid. Has done all the dirty work, cleans, hard carry’s that you need from a 6 when playing with Ardie. He’s also been a threat in the line outs.
Yep. You had to look hard for SF in Pumas II. He was really getting stuck into the thick of it.
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If NZ lose this then we've entered the Upside Down
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
OK we can let you off with a warning this time, but if you ever mention Kaino's name alongside Frizell's again that's at least a 6 month ban.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
OK we can let you off with a warning this time, but if you ever mention Kaino's name alongside Frizell's again that's at least a 6 month ban.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
I can't be accused of being a fan of Frizell (or Foster) but I admit when SF came back he played well at 6. But the last games against Australia, Akira terrorized them. I'd be more inclined to play him in the first game, at least.
Frizell isn't actually capable of a performance like that
Being careful to not be seen as Frizzy-lover , cos I'm really not, but that's hardly the point. Kaino wasn't capable of that either, and he went pretty good in the 6 jumper.
OK we can let you off with a warning this time, but if you ever mention Kaino's name alongside Frizell's again that's at least a 6 month ban.
Fair
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@Tim said in Bledisloe 1:
NZ TAB has the spread at 12.5 points.
Australia's depth is facing an extreme test.
If Foster can't rack up at least 50 here, he should be fired.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 1:
NZ TAB has the spread at 12.5 points.
Australia's depth is facing an extreme test.
If Foster can't rack up at least 50 here, he should be fired.
Nice try.
Rennie will be doing everything he can to limit damage. If that means going in with a limited game plan based entirely on spoiling he will do it.
Will be good test for our guys to think their way around the problem and an indicator of if they have got past banging their heads against a wall. I'm not confident that it won't take a full half with the thinking only coming alongside the oranges. -
Will Jordan has a horn on him a cat wouldn't scratch. Fizzing at the slit.
I expect a hat trick from the best sportsman ever to have the name Jordan.
Rip into it son with gay abandon.
Cutting Lines like he is a guest in the Chateaux Marmont.
@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Will Jordan has a horn on him a cat wouldn't scratch. Fizzing at the slit.
I expect a hat trick from the best sportsman ever to have the name Jordan.
Rip into it son with gay abandon.
Cutting Lines like he is a guest in the Chateaux Marmont.
Not sure what it means but I like it
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some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
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some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 1:
some hyperbolic shit on this thread
are you new?
i also love that that specific debate includes a player thats not actually available due to injury
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some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 1:
some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
Trouble is that those stats are gathered through the opta stuff which I think comes from the player GPS. Teams wont let that detail out to other teams for good reason.
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The SB selection has me scratching my head, but again, the most important thing is gameplan and execution. I'm (understandably) shit scared that they'll revert to that same cråp we've seen the past 3 years.
Maybe it's because its the Bled, but this is probably the first game this year I'm actually quite excited about.
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The SB selection has me scratching my head, but again, the most important thing is gameplan and execution. I'm (understandably) shit scared that they'll revert to that same cråp we've seen the past 3 years.
Maybe it's because its the Bled, but this is probably the first game this year I'm actually quite excited about.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
The SB selection has me scratching my head, but again, the most important thing is gameplan and execution. I'm (understandably) shit scared that they'll revert to that same cråp we've seen the past 3 years.
Maybe it's because its the Bled, but this is probably the first game this year I'm actually quite excited about.
If he plays half a game at 6 half at lock( or thereabouts ) each game with the old experienced locks getting breaks and fresh loosies coming on as things open up more ,and they think he can add extra grunt in tight early ,
I might have more understanding where they are heading with it , But if he plays maximum minutes there not so much
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
The SB selection has me scratching my head, but again, the most important thing is gameplan and execution. I'm (understandably) shit scared that they'll revert to that same cråp we've seen the past 3 years.
Maybe it's because its the Bled, but this is probably the first game this year I'm actually quite excited about.
If he plays half a game at 6 half at lock( or thereabouts ) each game with the old experienced locks getting breaks and fresh loosies coming on as things open up more ,and they think he can add extra grunt in tight early ,
I might have more understanding where they are heading with it , But if he plays maximum minutes there not so much
@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe 1:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
The SB selection has me scratching my head, but again, the most important thing is gameplan and execution. I'm (understandably) shit scared that they'll revert to that same cråp we've seen the past 3 years.
Maybe it's because its the Bled, but this is probably the first game this year I'm actually quite excited about.
If he plays half a game at 6 half at lock( or thereabouts ) each game with the old experienced locks getting breaks and fresh loosies coming on as things open up more ,and they think he can add extra grunt in tight early ,
I might have more understanding where they are heading with it , But if he plays maximum minutes there not so much
It will be interesting to see what happens with Ardie out. Maybe this is the right balance? I'm a fan of the big boppers starting tests, although I'd prefer Akira over SB.
