2016 Rugby Championship
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Sabalom Glitz" data-cid="590821" data-time="1466669858">
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<p>Does anybody like the new bonus point system?</p>
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<p>I like it.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Sabalom Glitz" data-cid="590821" data-time="1466669858">
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<p>Does anybody like the new bonus point system?</p>
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<p>I prefer it to the old system where a 48-43 loss was worth the same as a 3-3 draw.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="DMX" data-cid="590867" data-time="1466681823">
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<p>Hurts ABs and NZ super teams.</p>
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<p>How so?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MiketheSnow" data-cid="590883" data-time="1466693934">
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<p>How so?</p>
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<p>At a guess, we can often score 4 tries while losing. At a Super level the Canes have done that for years. Also we have tended to score 4 tries but leak them too when winning, so a lot of our wins have been BP wins because we've scored 4, but we leaked 3. In contrast the Boks rarely got a 4 try bonus, but also rarely leaked many. At a guess we've probably banked more 4 try BP in the TriNations than the rest put together.</p>
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<p>You can see that last weekend where we scored 5 (BP in old system) & then leaked 3 (so no BP in new system) </p> -
<p>I'm sure there will be teething troubles in the transition period but it'll even itself out I think.</p>
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<p>not that fussed really, either way TBH...</p>
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<p>In super rugby 2013 there were 81 BPs (BP1 41 and BP2 39) after 14 rounds</p>
<p>In super rugby 2014 there were 73 BPs (BP1 38 and BP2 35) after 14 rounds</p>
<p>In super rugby 2015 there were 89 BPs (BP1 45 and BP2 44) after 14 rounds</p>
<p>In super rugby 2016 there were 80 BPs (BP1 39 and BP2 40) after 14 rounds</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="590909" data-time="1466720816">
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<p>three more teams but.</p>
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<p>takes it down to 70 if you remove the 10 BPs from those 3 teams, although as I am sure know it wouldn't be quite that straight forward, given most teams that have played them have received a BP they may not have received otherwise....</p>
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<p>I was just putting the stats up to shows the variance in previous years when it was as it had always been,and cos stats are awesome for showing stuff that is meaningless :)</p> -
<p>not my stats bro, they come from a website...I just posted them, they prove loads of stuff about stuff!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="590914" data-time="1466721657">
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<p>Your stats aren't really relevant though.</p>
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<p>As mentioned above, it removes the situation where a loss with 2 bonus points gives the same points as a draw. I don't think that's fair.</p>
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<p>I have no issue with it. 2 points is fark all -- if you score 4 tries, and get within 7, then why the hell not? The 4 try bonus point incentivises running open rugby. The 3 try margin emphasises dominant victories. With the 4 try, losing teams are playing to get a point, rather than deny someone else a bonus point.</p>
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<p>I was OK with the 4 try, and not particularly fussed about the 3 clear try rule. We'll see how it goes though.</p> -
<p>It's probably not that relevant - the last time the competition was decided on bonus points was 2005 (NZ won, after it and SA went 3-1) while in 2004 all three teams went 2-2. Over 6 games, the likelihood is probably the same that bonus points settle the champion.</p>
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<p>nzzp is right - the systems emphasise different things (more try-scoring vs. dominant wins). Both are equally valid victories which still encourage try scoring (you still have to score at least three tries to be in contention). The new system to be strikes a better balance between try scoring and rewarding good defence - the old system is biased towards try scoring. However, a team can have what I would still consider a dominant win in terms of tries scored (3 tries to 1 or 4 tries to 2) and still not get rewarded.</p>
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<p>Without advocating even more change before this one has an effect, moving to 6 point tries and 2 point penalty goals would certainly incentivise try-scoring and reduce the likelihood of losing bonus points.</p> -
<p>In theory this new bonus points system is meant to encourage teams to play for the full 80 mins (a terrible cliche), and continue to attack or defend depending on the circumstances. Previously a team that had banked the 4 try bonus point wasn't that worried if they leaked tries in the last 20 mins because they still got the 5 points for a win.</p>
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<p>The big downside is that there is the potential for the winning team to be more negative and just kick the ball away near the end of the game. Better to be in the oppostion's half without the ball than risk conceding a late try by running it from within your own half. Watch the Top 14, it hasn't made for a better spectacle.</p>
