Bledisloe 1
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A quick scrounge around the NH scribes would seem to suggest an agreement with Raynal on what happened ...
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 1:
A quick scrounge around the NH scribes would seem to suggest an agreement with Raynal on what happened ...
Except for Stuart Barnes
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
It’s a scrum not free kick. Law 20 “taking a penalty or free kick”
This literally comes from the World Rugby website (Law 9.7.d)!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
This game again showed that we desperately need a 10 that can take some control of the game. Beauden hasn't been in good form and Mo'unga is just all over the shop. If Beauden doesn't recapture his form, which seems likely given he is getting on in years now, I just can't really see how we win the RWC. We're going to be put under the pump and we are just too flakey in that position to handle any sort of pressure it seems.
We may or may not win the RWC. I thought he did a lot of good things tonight and moved the ball swiftly and created space and opportunities for us. He communicated well and made some good kicks at goal. But he’s rocks and diamonds like many of our players right now, in particular our backs, including our good ones like Ioane and Jordie.
And you are in the running for broken record award no doubt
Yeah, I know I'm a broken record, but it's such an important position and I've been so disappointed with Mo'unga after all the hype. He continues to put us under huge pressure every match with really basic mistakes - dogshit kicks/clearances, kick offs out on the full etc, and multiple times this season the other team has scored on the back of them. We're just not going to win knockout rugby with a 10 that does that every game. I think 10 is our biggest weakness right now.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
This game again showed that we desperately need a 10 that can take some control of the game. Beauden hasn't been in good form and Mo'unga is just all over the shop. If Beauden doesn't recapture his form, which seems likely given he is getting on in years now, I just can't really see how we win the RWC. We're going to be put under the pump and we are just too flakey in that position to handle any sort of pressure it seems.
We may or may not win the RWC. I thought he did a lot of good things tonight and moved the ball swiftly and created space and opportunities for us. He communicated well and made some good kicks at goal. But he’s rocks and diamonds like many of our players right now, in particular our backs, including our good ones like Ioane and Jordie.
And you are in the running for broken record award no doubt
Yeah, I know I'm a broken record, but it's such an important position and I've been so disappointed with Mo'unga after all the hype. He continues to put us under huge pressure every match with really basic mistakes - dogshit kicks/clearances, kick offs out on the full etc, and multiple times this season the other team has scored on the back of them. We're just not going to win knockout rugby with a 10 that does that every game. I think 10 is our biggest weakness right now.
We almost lost the game with missed tackles and a forward pack that got owned by a bunch of no name journeyman Aussies.
I think our problems run much deeper than Richie who was ok - very importantly he kicked all his goals, his long kicking game is the best in NZ where we shoot first fives that don’t run all day, and his passing game I thought was good though some think through the hands is better than cutout’s. Both work to my mind and they weren’t the reasons for what followed.
Inside him and outside him we have bigger issues. Collectively we make too many mistakes/make poor decisions. Being up 13-31 and going behind 34-31 would make every past All Black turn in his grave.
How did our forward pack end up struggling last night against that Aussie pack?
Smiths passing game is negated by a forward pack that don’t dominate. Without that he looks average.
I am still frustrated that we celebrate our short kicking game as creating space ( for later in the game ) by confusing the oppositions defence. The dinks and cross kicks in our own half in the first 40 are way to prevalent for my liking. Much prefer Irish tactics of kick long,carry, kick for corners. With Havili at 2nd it seems this is a bigger part of our game than it should be.
Reiko who is a super runner, makes too many mistakes with decisions and execution - twice in about 5 minutes I remember we had the Aussies on the ropes and he threw poor passes. He is not the worst option at centre though and but looks best when is running and had space. But you have to be clinical and just wasn’t.
Caleb Clarke…as below.
Will Jordon tap back in first half that lead to Aussie breakaway and then huge missed tackle, but also a great try. Drifts in and out of games. Compared to a Sevu Reece his work rate seems low?
Jordie is crash and bash, makes mistakes, maybe 2nd is his position.
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If Havili and Tupaea are out I hope Jordie goes to 12 and DMac into squad and 23.
Wonder if we may need to rotate props too. Not quite as energetic last night.@ARHS said in Bledisloe 1:
If Havili and Tupaea are out I hope Jordie goes to 12 and DMac into squad and 23.
Wonder if we may need to rotate props too. Not quite as energetic last night.If?
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Read was calling for RTS to start at Eden Park. The reasoning being that he needs to play in a big test to see if he is an option for the future.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Read was calling for RTS to start at Eden Park. The reasoning being that he needs to play in a big test to see if he is an option for the future.
I like that option. Trusting the squad selections hasn't been a hallmark of this coaching group so far though.
I'm not sold on Jordie at 12 and think we should be going for the least disruption to the roles that are still being cemented. If RTS has been understudying Havili then give him a go. That way the back three can remain (possibly Reece for Clarke) and BB can stay on the bench.
Moving Jordie causes a decision on who starts at fullback and how the bench works.
RTS/RI combo at least has some time together.
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@kev said in Bledisloe 1:
Is that the worst half of rugby we have ever played?
fuck no...then we have taylor at hooker again
@kev said in Bledisloe 1:
Is that the worst half of rugby we have ever played?
this is what my post is about
I'm starting to think that TV/commentators...and even the fern...is part of whats killing my enjoyment of rugby.
At the game, we had an even mix of kiwis and aussies around us...everyone was chatting and talking at half time about how enjoyable the game was (barring the obvious like QT)..reading through the thread and moments like sotutu's kick...everyone was cheering around us about trying to play awesome....and then i get on here and see 10-15 posts about it essentially being the worst play in the history of rugby. Im sure with replays and the commentators it more clear to analyse but at the time it was a few seconds of up out of our chairs....hmmm
re the end....the crowd were all yelling for him to hurry up...was really blatant in real time
I saw a tweet that summed it up nicely for me....if this is the first shot in a war against time wasting...then great, all for it...if this is a random one off implementation of the rules...then its harsh...correct but harsh
some people that i thought played well in real time have been lambasted so once again a fascinating example of how different the game is without replays and commentary
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haven't read the thread but i bet it's spittle-flecked and angry. Seriously if you didn't find that fun you need some joy in your lives
When there is a bit of chaos, rugby is the best sport on the planet. Give me the carnage of last night over a robotic chess game any day. Cracking tries. Card drama. ref drama. some incredible pieces of individual skill on both sides of the ball. An after-the-hooter try to win. fuck what more do you want??
Firstly i would like to at the same time apologise, congratulate, and commiserate with the Wallabies. I didn't think that team was capable of that result. They were fucking excellent. Down 10-zip in the same number of minutes, they rallied straight away. They scored some incredible tries. Their loose forwards were beasts and just smashed ours. That was as one-sided a battle as you will see. Foley played a bit of a blinder really. Outside backs were a handful. A great performance cruelly not rewarded by a strange (but probably correct i guess?) call. You throw a couple of their missing pieces in to that team and they are going along not too bad are they?
For us Sami T was a fucking beast. In to everything, running like a train. Huge game. So glad he didn't get towed early. Our veteran locks were bloody good too, probably the next cabs off the rank for AB MoTM voting. Jordan seemed to find that spark again as well. Lots of stuff to fizz about in Black.
Enormous fun game. I am going to have to put up with a shit ton of whinging about the ref over here for a few days. And you know what? I reckon i'll let 'em. We won, and it was really harsh. So it's pretty easy to be magnanimous about it
A great Thursday night's TV
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What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
Pretty insular view or the world you have there.
Your ten kicks the ball instead of trying to run the clock down, then you win. Simple as that.
You came back from 31-13 down with an injury ravaged team. Plenty to be positive about instead of being chicken little.
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one other thing...how awesome it was for an "All Blacks" chant to go up a few times...we all know there are loads of kiwis in melbourne and at the game i would say it was 50/50 aussies and kiwis....but for a chant to go up like that for an away game...awesome
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I'm still scratching my head about Sotutu's kick. Wtf was he thinking there? He was surrounded by support. He should go the way of 2008 Lauaki for that alone.
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
Pretty insular view or the world you have there.
Your ten kicks the ball instead of trying to run the clock down, then you win. Simple as that.
You came back from 31-13 down with an injury ravaged team. Plenty to be positive about instead of being chicken little.
@Kirwan yeah...kick for touch...walk up slowly...secure the lineout and just hold in the back of the maul until you can kick it out....not rocket surgery
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What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
You've never ever seen a ref pull up time wasting before? Can't have watched much code.
The crowd knew it was obvious time wasting, so did your other players. I totally get that the consequences were a bitch and I'd be annoyed as well but it wasn't the ref's fault. I even believe that Foley didn't hear 'time on' or expected the ref to manage it a different way but that is on him and his awareness.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
What's the point in the Bledisloe when the vastly superior team gets awarded a win in a rare off year by the rarest of debatable technicalities.
No wonder League is poaching all of the Aus and increasingly, NZ talent.
Pretty insular view or the world you have there.
Your ten kicks the ball instead of trying to run the clock down, then you win. Simple as that.
You came back from 31-13 down with an injury ravaged team. Plenty to be positive about instead of being chicken little.
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Watched with a bunch of Wallaby supporting mates and that call by Raynal at the death was excellent. The most vocal of them were angry at Fole rather than the ref.
I can only imagine the spittle and apoplexies suffered among the mental asylum known as GAGR who might now have some understanding of a certain Lions series. The difference is one Frenchman had the courage to make the right call.
Happy with the result, not so much the manner in which it was achieved.
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Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
The call was that Koroibete was pushed into the contact accidentally by one of his team mates. I think we had one of those previously (maybe a NH Test?) where a player pulled out of contact but an accidental collision forced them into the zone.
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Watched with a bunch of Wallaby supporting mates and that call by Raynal at the death was excellent. The most vocal of them were angry at Fole rather than the ref.
I can only imagine the spittle and apoplexies suffered among the mental asylum known as GAGR who might now have some understanding of a certain Lions series. The difference is one Frenchman had the courage to make the right call.
Happy with the result, not so much the manner in which it was achieved.
@antipodean you certainly don't seem like the kind of bloke who is ever happy, let's be honest eh.
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@antipodean you certainly don't seem like the kind of bloke who is ever happy, let's be honest eh.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean you certainly don't seem like the kind of bloke who is ever happy, let's be honest eh.
You're as wrong on that as you are everything else, so points for consistency I guess.
