Bledisloe 2
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@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?In theory, Test players have access to proper specialists who can assess effects on them. Amateurs get the extra low risk version with the longer stand down.
But, yeah.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?In theory, Test players have access to proper specialists who can assess effects on them. Amateurs get the extra low risk version with the longer stand down.
But, yeah.
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?In theory, Test players have access to proper specialists who can assess effects on them. Amateurs get the extra low risk version with the longer stand down.
But, yeah.
They still get baselined and go to specialists for assessment. Maybe there are special specialists?
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Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure
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i mean, havili's has a good run of games at 12, wouldn't hurt to give him a week
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure
That was guesswork from Hinton about Cane based on his history. He assumed that more care would be taken.
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@bayimports said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure
That was guesswork from Hinton about Cane based on his history. He assumed that more care would be taken.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.
RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.
There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure
That was guesswork from Hinton about Cane based on his history. He assumed that more care would be taken.
Sure its guesswork be he also made the same point as @Stargazer about who he had seen at training. Cane was still in his track pants for the skill units at the finish of Tuesday training. Media kept out of main session.
I don't think its an unreasonable guess and why I agree with @Stargazer , I'm also picking he wont play (my guess)
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Cane might be taking it easy early in the week as a precaution with the intention of stepping it up later on.
I thought Havili was ruled out but then Ryan mentioned he was still an option. Looking at the 12 day protocol from world rugby it says: "No player will return earlier than the seventh day after injury, and any player's return will need to be approved by an independent concussion consultant."
So, I guess Havili is technically available if he is approved by an independent consultant?
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Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
Foster's ABs are normally happy with losing cos learnings and excitement for the next one. He says it all the time, I am not acutally joking, sadly
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team. -
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.I agree that mindset is a huge part of professional sport and I know the 2011 side had a lot of help in this regard. But you would hope with the number of resources available that the mentality of the players is not the only reason you win or lose. Going by recent results I would suggest Fosters ability to get the players in the right mentality has been fucken woeful.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.I agree that mindset is a huge part of professional sport and I know the 2011 side had a lot of help in this regard. But you would hope with the number of resources available that the mentality of the players is not the only reason you win or lose. Going by recent results I would suggest Fosters ability to get the players in the right mentality has been fucken woeful.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.I agree that mindset is a huge part of professional sport and I know the 2011 side had a lot of help in this regard. But you would hope with the number of resources available that the mentality of the players is not the only reason you win or lose. Going by recent results I would suggest Fosters ability to get the players in the right mentality has been fucken woeful.
Again, the minor increments we are talking about can only come alongside other factors. Are you going to be in peak mental state if concerned about errors you made last game or concentrating on a new gameplan or trying to remember new moves etc etc
I agree that the coaches have to do the best they can to prepare the players mentally but there is a reason that success breeds success (and vice-versa). Confidence is up and many external factors are removed as opposed to trying to create a clear mind. -
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Referee: Andrew Brace (IRFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pierre Brousset (FFR)
TMO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)Just googled and realised he is another one of these refs that WR rate highly but is prone to controversial performances in big games.
Yippee.@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
Referee: Andrew Brace (IRFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pierre Brousset (FFR)
TMO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)Just googled and realised he is another one of these refs that WR rate highly but is prone to controversial performances in big games.
Yippee.At least with Sky NZ we should get plenty of timely replays..
Still a bit of a lottery and neither team has adapted well to reffing inconsistencies so far this year.
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@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.
That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
Apparently test players grow stronger brains?WR have learned nothing
Deserve the lawsuits
Idiots
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
Ardie at 7!
Stats in Rounds 1-4 of the current Rugby Championship, among all four nations:
First in number of ball carries [51] *
First in run metres gained by a forward [275 metres]
First in off-loads
Second in dominant tackles on defence
Fourth in breakdown pilfersSecond Lineout takes for ABs
(*) Samisoni second 40, "...about two-thirds of Ardie Savea’s metres are made after first contact with the defender(s), so he and Samisoni are ‘YAC (yards after contact) merchants’ for real. It makes for a punishing inside running combination."
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
Ardie at 7!
Stats in Rounds 1-4 of the current Rugby Championship, among all four nations:
First in number of ball carries [51] *
First in run metres gained by a forward [275 metres]
First in off-loads
Second in dominant tackles on defence
Fourth in breakdown pilfersSecond Lineout takes for ABs
(*) Samisoni second 40, "...about two-thirds of Ardie Savea’s metres are made after first contact with the defender(s), so he and Samisoni are ‘YAC (yards after contact) merchants’ for real. It makes for a punishing inside running combination."
@Machpants yeah I would be very, very interested in just how his game would look at 7.
