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Bledisloe 2

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  • voodooV voodoo

    Sotutu to stay at 8 is my preference. He's been in the squad all year, he deserves a shot to step up. I'd be challenging him to play a little tighter with Ardie there. I also expect SB at 6. Pretty awesome lineout options in that trio too

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    @voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

    Sotutu to stay at 8 is my preference. He's been in the squad all year, he deserves a shot to step up. I'd be challenging him to play a little tighter with Ardie there. I also expect SBH at 6. Pretty awesome lineout options in that trio too

    Yup, fair enough point. They have used SB, SF a lot in the line out in recent matches. And Sotutu is another great target...

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      @Bones grab tackling and holding back from impact Point. Got really frustrated watching him in first half.
      Had a spell as a match analyst many years ago. We used to record the actions and also their quality then. The stats quoted on this forum completely overlook the latter. E. G. Scrag tackles that lose momentum get points but huge efforts in effective covering that don't stop the player themself are shown as missed tackles. Defensive errors and laziness that means no tackle is attempted are not shown. The ratings on our wingers suggest many look at pure stats only and not impact.
      Same with loosies. One lazy poorly executed clean out by a loosie ultimately allowed Australia to get in front. Won't have been highlighted in the stats either. Execution errors like kicking on a break with players alongside in a scoring position get missed too.
      I value energy agility and positional urgency very highly in players and value the glossy things far less. Give me a Cane or Sami constantly in the face of the opposition in the biggest contact areas, every time over someone who has a big run after being put into space by their work. Cam Roigard in npc shows the same set of qualities. Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith and ALB show it too. These are the guys who the players value for doing the hardest work on their behalf.
      What do others think on the value of the stats being presented after matches?

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      @ARHS said in Bledisloe 2:

      What do others think on the value of the stats being presented after matches?

      They're a very blunt instrument for analysis.

      Catch a long kick in the 22 and run back fast, you'll get 40 easy running metres - compared to some guy who repeatedly hits the ball up one off the ruck.

      Missed tackles - as you note - work hard to get one hand to a guy and slow him, gets a black mark compared to the guy who doesn't get there.

      Lineouts won accrue to the thrower not the jumper - that's completely uninteresting! Who thought up that dumb idea! 🙂

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        @ARHS said in Bledisloe 2:

        What do others think on the value of the stats being presented after matches?

        They're a very blunt instrument for analysis.

        Catch a long kick in the 22 and run back fast, you'll get 40 easy running metres - compared to some guy who repeatedly hits the ball up one off the ruck.

        Missed tackles - as you note - work hard to get one hand to a guy and slow him, gets a black mark compared to the guy who doesn't get there.

        Lineouts won accrue to the thrower not the jumper - that's completely uninteresting! Who thought up that dumb idea! 🙂

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        @ARHS said in Bledisloe 2:

        What do others think on the value of the stats being presented after matches?

        Haven't improved in 20 years. Appalling.

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          Team for the second Bledisloe test set to be named at 11.30am

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            Assuming Cane is out, I reckon the loosies will be Frizell, Papalií and Ardie.

            Akira on the bench.

            Not sure which lock starts on the bench.

            I'd be inclined to rest Newell - I don't think his general play is test standard yet.

            I'd keep Jordie at fullback and start RTS, but it doesn't sound like what's going to happen.

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              https://i.imgur.com/lOaXsOy.jpg

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                Taylor OMFG. Scooter injured?

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                  https://i.imgur.com/lOaXsOy.jpg

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                  @Tim JB at 12... So will Jordan stays on the wing? Wtaf

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                    Taylor and Laulala? WTF!!!

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                      Sevu Reece back in the side, good to see.

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                        Also I see Whitelock as captain, not Savea.

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                          Based purely on my own research, I believe Jordie Barrett will become the first All Black to start a test match at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15.

                          Give the man a start a centre!

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            Taylor and Laulala? WTF!!!

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                            @Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:

                            Taylor and Laulala? WTF!!!

                            Imagine if they come one early with Taylor :face_vomiting:

                            Only Foster would bench his equal best player for his worst in a ‘must win finals game’

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                              @Tim JB at 12... So will Jordan stays on the wing? Wtaf

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                              @nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:

                              @Tim JB at 12... So will Jordan stays on the wing? Wtaf

                              He has to improve under the highball and with his tackling before getting the 15 gig.

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                                @nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:

                                @Tim JB at 12... So will Jordan stays on the wing? Wtaf

                                He has to improve under the highball and with his tackling before getting the 15 gig.

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                                @Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:

                                @nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:

                                @Tim JB at 12... So will Jordan stays on the wing? Wtaf

                                He has to improve under the highball and with his tackling before getting the 15 gig.

                                Agree

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                                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                  Also I see Whitelock as captain, not Savea.

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                                  @Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:

                                  Also I see Whitelock as captain, not Savea.

                                  Fair call. He captained well last week. Ardie can concentrate on his return

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                                    Was hoping to see Perofeta at 15 but otherwise pretty happy with that.

                                    I like that bench (except Laulala).

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                                      Injuries have forced changes to the All Blacks team that defeated Australia in Melbourne, with captain Sam Cane, Scott Barrett, David Havili and Quinn Tupaea unavailable for selection this week.

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                                        I’m really disappointed at the lack of melting down at the news that Taylor is starting. Sort it out guys.

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                                          Really good balanced loose forward trio.

                                          Be interested to see if Ardie goes to seven when Sotutu comes on, or they just do a straight swap.

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