Bledisloe 2
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
Refs have a larger influence on the outcome of the game than anyone else
only if you completely ignore the players
or you want to play victim.
sook away, why watch if it's not entertainment? go watch AFL, it's a fantastic game. I bet you will be whinging about holding the ball in 2 weeks, and how the swannies are getting stitched up in clear #vicbias
@mariner4life I'm not even sooking. Any one player has nowhere the influence the ref does. That's why the ref is so often the subject of debate following a game.
Its impossible to get away from given the nature of the laws and the room for interpretation.
And no, I'm not gunna sook off and watch AFL because AFL is terrible.
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@mariner4life Refs have a larger influence on the outcome of the game than anyone else so it's inevitable. Contrasted with, for example, AFL where they have a minimal influence.
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
@mariner4life Refs have a larger influence on the outcome of the game than anyone else so it's inevitable. Contrasted with, for example, AFL where they have a minimal influence.
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
Odd point. Are you saying that because the current penalty for time wasting is a scrum, that we just shouldn't bother enforcing the rule on time wasting?
As opposed to say, maybe - switches brain from whinge mode to solutions mode - changing the rule to award a scrum to awarding a free kick?
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
@mariner4life Refs have a larger influence on the outcome of the game than anyone else so it's inevitable. Contrasted with, for example, AFL where they have a minimal influence.
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
Odd point. Are you saying that because the current penalty for time wasting is a scrum, that we just shouldn't bother enforcing the rule on time wasting?
As opposed to say, maybe - switches brain from whinge mode to solutions mode - changing the rule to award a scrum to awarding a free kick?
@voodoo isnt usually a free kick in most cases, but the teams choose to take a scrum, which takes the time
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 2:
Just another in a long line of whining from Aussie rugby. Accept your place and know your role.
These two sentences sum it up nicely.
look i was being very tongue in cheek
but (and this links to the "current state of the game" thread)
A little over a week after a fantastic test filled with some seriously good play by both sides, especially the Aussies
And yet, the only thing anyone is talking about over here still, on social media especially, is fucking reffing. We're supposed to be talking about the next game, and the Australian coach is still talking about being robbed last week. And shit that should have been cited. And all the other ways the Wallabies were dudded by the game.
What might be the problem with the game is the media, and people. All we focus on is the ref, and shit that went against our team. And we seek out shit like that. And we comment on it.
Aussie fans should be talking about the continued rise of Valetini, Samu's best ever test, Foley's comeback. A young side never feeling beaten and fighting back a couple of times. but no. lets write another article on the ref. of the last game.@mariner4life agree with you. Decades of negative press headed by Greg Growden and a fox sports is partly to blame IMHO.
Would help if we had a national comp to give us visibility
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@pakman said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@pakman said in Bledisloe 2:
Newell foul play identified by judiciary.
Eh? He's been cited?
May have read an erroneous Stuff article?!
I thought I saw that Swain tried to use it in his defence, but that's all there is to it I thought.
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@pakman said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@pakman said in Bledisloe 2:
Newell foul play identified by judiciary.
Eh? He's been cited?
May have read an erroneous Stuff article?!
I thought I saw that Swain tried to use it in his defence, but that's all there is to it I thought.
Correct. Tom Decent is another in a long line of hacks when it comes to rugby journalism. The judiciary did not admit Newell should have been cited.
It was Swain's defence that Newell should also have been cited.
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@mariner4life Refs have a larger influence on the outcome of the game than anyone else so it's inevitable. Contrasted with, for example, AFL where they have a minimal influence.
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
Awarding scrums to the opposition. You forgot that part.
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@mariner4life agree with you. Decades of negative press headed by Greg Growden and a fox sports is partly to blame IMHO.
Would help if we had a national comp to give us visibility
@NTA it's just not true. Rugby journalism round here definitely sucks. But it's the same anywhere - we see the Saffas or the French blowing up about refs just as often.
To blame it on a few hack journos is silly. They just pick up on the obvious talking points.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
Tell you what though, can't wait for the game to be sped up with this new crack down on time wasting. To be sped by - checks notes - awarding scrums...
Awarding scrums to the opposition. You forgot that part.
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@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter Yeah, am fired up to see this backline on Saturday. Really hope to see Jordie's big body smashing through the line off short-balls!
If Jordie is successful at 12 then what an(other) indictment of Foster honestly. He wrote Barrett off as an option in the midfield during Super rugby and obviously had no intention of trying him there during this campaign, it's only injury that has forced his hand. Good luck rather than anything resembling good management.
He's better suited there of course. He's not the fastest and can look ungainly joining the line out wide, but in close his running style is perfect for heavy traffic and as a bigger body more effective than the other options. He can also kick, pass and possibly most importantly offload.
This backline is definitely exciting. Let's see if they can realize that potential.... Apologies if I just gave him the kiss of death.
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter Yeah, am fired up to see this backline on Saturday. Really hope to see Jordie's big body smashing through the line off short-balls!
He's better suited there of course. He's not the fastest and can look ungainly joining the line out wide, but in close his running style is perfect for heavy traffic and as a bigger body more effective than the other options. He can also kick, pass and possibly most importantly offload.
Spot on. Run, kick, pass threat plus defends really well. If he plays well he'll give Havili a run for his money at 12 with ALB still to return.
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the ref didn't decide last Thursday. The Wallaby's inability to put Jordan on the deck decided last Thursday. You win by being in front at the final whistle. Not with a couple of minutes to go.
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the ref didn't decide last Thursday. The Wallaby's inability to put Jordan on the deck decided last Thursday. You win by being in front at the final whistle. Not with a couple of minutes to go.
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@mariner4life yeah yeah - didn't say he did. Foley shoulda just kicked it. Doesn't mean I'm wrong about why we are still talking about the ref.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
@mariner4life yeah yeah - didn't say he did. Foley shoulda just kicked it. Doesn't mean I'm wrong about why we are still talking about the ref.
it does. it's mindset really.
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@antipodean I figured that was obvious.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 2:
@antipodean I figured that was obvious.
You say obvious but then the desired outcome appears to have passed you by: Speed up or lose possession.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6. He really has the potential to be the greatest ever in that position. Even better than Kaino.
Reiko is also one game off from being the next Conrad Smith.
Am I missing a joke here?
Maybe Akira can get somewhere near Kaino if he stops taking half a step backwards before going forward.@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6. He really has the potential to be the greatest ever in that position. Even better than Kaino.
Reiko is also one game off from being the next Conrad Smith.
Am I missing a joke here?
Maybe Akira can get somewhere near Kaino if he stops taking half a step backwards before going forward.I'm rapt to see Akira back in 6, especially versus the Wallabies.
Foster mentioned it in his presser that he's a different ball carrier to Frizell and Barrett. The thing is he's actually pretty effective when he decides to go direct in terms of post-contact metres but prefers to use footwork in contact.I remember Kaino when he came on the scene was more of a wide runner but seemed to change his game in his mid-20's to what made him so successful.
I agree on Rieko, still only 25 and I think finally starting to iron out his inconsistencies after making the move to 13. One of the few things Foster has done well this year is to play him solely at 13.
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@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter Yeah, am fired up to see this backline on Saturday. Really hope to see Jordie's big body smashing through the line off short-balls!
He's better suited there of course. He's not the fastest and can look ungainly joining the line out wide, but in close his running style is perfect for heavy traffic and as a bigger body more effective than the other options. He can also kick, pass and possibly most importantly offload.
Spot on. Run, kick, pass threat plus defends really well. If he plays well he'll give Havili a run for his money at 12 with ALB still to return.
@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 2:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter Yeah, am fired up to see this backline on Saturday. Really hope to see Jordie's big body smashing through the line off short-balls!
He's better suited there of course. He's not the fastest and can look ungainly joining the line out wide, but in close his running style is perfect for heavy traffic and as a bigger body more effective than the other options. He can also kick, pass and possibly most importantly offload.
Spot on. Run, kick, pass threat plus defends really well. If he plays well he'll give Havili a run for his money at 12 with ALB still to return.
Potential for being a triple threat for sure but before claiming that I want to see his short kicking ability and decision making. Also his short passing game under pressure.
Not knocking the guy as we have few triple threat options and most other don't even show that potential. Just not confirmed yet. -
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6. He really has the potential to be the greatest ever in that position. Even better than Kaino.
Reiko is also one game off from being the next Conrad Smith.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe 2:
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
unless your name rhymes with Bodie Naylor...who, if he has had personal issues, they shoulda left him out to deal with this, refresh and then come back, instead he is playing poorly, hindering both himself and the team.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
Hardly, dude just has to turn up to keep getting selected. Out of form for two years running so not sure why this weeks game make or break for him./
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
Really happy to see Ioane back at 6.
Important test for Akira - needs to put down a marker to be the starting 6 because time (test matches) is running short for RWC.
I'd say the same for Taylor, Papali'i, Ofa, Nepo, Hoskins and RTS.
Any who play poorly might not get many shots at redemption.
and...
Will Jordan searching for his mojo.
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Different forwards coach.
They've left him out for the past couple of games. Now he's got a chance to impress before they pick the EOYT squad.
TBH it's not hard to see why they want him to come good - but, if he plays poorly they might well look elsewhere for EOYT.
