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  • CatograndeC Catogrande

    @Billy-Tell said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.

    It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.

    My sympathy dial is at 0. I know the clubs are not the RFU (which should be ERU and not THE rfu) but nz was told to get lost many times when looking for profit-sharing. Rugby would be in a better place today if England France had centrally contracted players at the start of the pro era but put head in sand.

    I understand the sympathy dialled to zero, but I’m not looking for that. Just looking at a poor situation and pondering on the future and make no bones about it we have a world-wide issue in rugby, just that it is being manifested in different ways around the world. None of us are immune.

    The current financial malaise in parts of the NH club game has fuck all to do with profit sharing - do you honestly think if England if anyone else gave money to NZ or anyone else that would improve the financial situation in the NH club game? Really?

    I agree that if we’d centrally contracted players back along we’d likely be in a better place but that is an argument that was lost back in 1995. Perhaps time to move on.

    Oh and it is THE RFU because when it was formed it was the only rugby union. No arrogance there.

    Hope THE Rugby Championship is going well 😎

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    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    Oh and it is THE RFU because when it was formed it was the only rugby union. No arrogance there.
    Hope THE Rugby Championship is going well

    Haha well said. THE Royal Air Force, THE Royal Navy, and (thanks Macron) THE Queen

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      #2583

      The URC had round 2 this weekend. Saffer teams did well. Biggest surprise by the Lions beating Ospreys at home. Also close win for Sharks away against Zebre. Edinburgh nearly beat the Bulls at Loftus. Stormers B had to thank Aki having a blond moment and left Connacht with 14 players. A struggle from them at Danie Craven Stadium.

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      • OomPBO OomPB

        The URC had round 2 this weekend. Saffer teams did well. Biggest surprise by the Lions beating Ospreys at home. Also close win for Sharks away against Zebre. Edinburgh nearly beat the Bulls at Loftus. Stormers B had to thank Aki having a blond moment and left Connacht with 14 players. A struggle from them at Danie Craven Stadium.

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        @OomPB Looks like they have found a competition to play in where they can at last be more competitive overall than they have been in the past.

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          Even the bean counters are talking about learnings

          https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/63038335

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            Even the bean counters are talking about learnings

            https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/63038335

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            @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

            Even the bean counters are talking about learnings

            https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/63038335

            It's been corporate speak for over a decade.

            (Not an endorsement by any means).

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            • Dan54D Away
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              Dan54
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              Certainly a bit sad for all at the club etc, and hope they can get new positions etc with other clubs. I not really surprised in one way, rugby hasn't been pro for all that long (25 years), and I imagine a few more are still working out all the ins and outs of sorting out paying off set up costs etc?

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                Rumours at this stage

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                • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                  Rumours at this stage

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                  @MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:

                  Rumours at this stage

                  Can you give a precis? Where would they go?

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                  • M Machpants

                    @MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:

                    Rumours at this stage

                    Can you give a precis? Where would they go?

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                    @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                    @MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:

                    Rumours at this stage

                    Can you give a precis? Where would they go?

                    English Premier League instead of Worcester and possibly Wasps

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                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                      @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                      @MiketheSnow said in NH club rugby:

                      Rumours at this stage

                      Can you give a precis? Where would they go?

                      English Premier League instead of Worcester and possibly Wasps

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                      OomPB
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                      @MiketheSnow this can open the door for our CC Premier league teams Cheetahs, Griquas and Pumas.

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                        Worcester and Wasps owe huge sums in unpaid tax. Neither club is going to survive.

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                          Alapati Leiua to make his Stormers debut vs Embra on saturday

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                            Worcester and Wasps owe huge sums in unpaid tax. Neither club is going to survive.

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                            @sparky said in NH club rugby:

                            Worcester and Wasps owe huge sums in unpaid tax. Neither club is going to survive.

                            It looks grim but if the clubs go to the wall, creditors are unlikely to get too many pennies in the pound. Don’t underestimate the ability for a deal to be made.

                            My guess (based on fuck all apart from a hunch and a dose of cynicism) is that Wasps will survive and they will let perennial relegation candidates Worcester go to the wall.

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                              Alapati Leiua to make his Stormers debut vs Embra on saturday

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                              @OomPB said in NH club rugby:

                              Alapati Leiua to make his Stormers debut vs Embra on saturday

                              So he didn't even see out the NPC season with Waikato. If ALB is ready to go Leiua isn't needed.

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                                Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

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                                  Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

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                                  Dan54
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                                  @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                                  Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

                                  Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

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                                    @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                                    Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

                                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

                                    Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

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                                    @Dan54 said in NH club rugby:

                                    @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                                    Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

                                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

                                    Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

                                    They sold the club carpark and other field for fuck all to businesses they own recently. Cos 'the club needed the money' but that is asset stripping. I would imagine they will be sequestered back when the club is wound up, as it is within 6 months

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                                      Great game today between Saracens and Leicester. An open but pretty even game to begin with but in the end Sarries just blew away the champions and stuck 50 points on them. In amongst a very good team performance, there was some excellent individual displays but Theo Mafarland, the Samoan lock/flanker was simply outstanding. A ridiculous performance.

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                                        Bones
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                                        I mean, doesn't that make it even worse when you get done over?

                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ref-mic-picks-up-sinckler-sledge-as-props-performance-slated/

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                                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                          @OomPB said in NH club rugby:

                                          Alapati Leiua to make his Stormers debut vs Embra on saturday

                                          So he didn't even see out the NPC season with Waikato. If ALB is ready to go Leiua isn't needed.

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                                          @Bovidae https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/unitedrugbychampionship/stormers-new-recruit-leiua-on-urc-debut-in-exciting-midfield-combo-with-mngomezulu-20221007

                                          He is new combination with the SA U20 captain.

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