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  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

    @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

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    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

    @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

    Is his contract up for renewal? That’s what this smells like to me. It could just be this ‘rumor’ is his representatives saying if he’s not selected in the AB15 they are open to offers?

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      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

      @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

      Is his contract up for renewal? That’s what this smells like to me. It could just be this ‘rumor’ is his representatives saying if he’s not selected in the AB15 they are open to offers?

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      @gt12 Stevenson is contracted until 2023. He deserves to be selected.

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      • gt12G gt12

        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

        @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

        Is his contract up for renewal? That’s what this smells like to me. It could just be this ‘rumor’ is his representatives saying if he’s not selected in the AB15 they are open to offers?

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        @gt12 said in All Blacks XV:

        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

        @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

        Is his contract up for renewal? That’s what this smells like to me. It could just be this ‘rumor’ is his representatives saying if he’s not selected in the AB15 they are open to offers?

        It would seem a pretty weak attempt. It's not like he's a marquis player who would have teams banging down the door.

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          @gt12 Stevenson is contracted until 2023. He deserves to be selected.

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          @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:

          @gt12 Stevenson is contracted until 2023. He deserves to be selected.

          If Nogusta says Dolphins then that is generally very good sauce.
          On form though he has been a stand out throughout the year and I agree

          Probably also depends on what happens to Perofeta/DMac unless they play him on a wing

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            @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:

            @gt12 Stevenson is contracted until 2023. He deserves to be selected.

            If Nogusta says Dolphins then that is generally very good sauce.
            On form though he has been a stand out throughout the year and I agree

            Probably also depends on what happens to Perofeta/DMac unless they play him on a wing

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            @bayimports The Dolphins aren't having much luck signing players at the moment. 😉

            My point is that Stevenson would need to get an early release.

            Perofeta should be selected for the AB XV so he can play 2 games at 1st 5, rather than a single test for the ABs (vs Japan). Stevenson could be at fullback.

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            • Chris B.C Chris B.

              So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
              I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

              Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

              de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
              Sami T., Taylor, Coles
              Lomax, Laulala, Newell
              Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
              Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
              Smith, Christie, Fakatava
              Mo'unga, BBarrett,
              Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
              Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

              So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

              Ross, Williams, Hodgman
              Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
              Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
              Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
              Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
              Weber, Perenara, Roigard
              McKenzie, Gatland
              Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
              Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

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              @Chris-B Articles I have read say 35 for the ABs and only 26 for the AB XV.

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              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                @Chris-B Articles I have read say 35 for the ABs and only 26 for the AB XV.

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                @Bovidae Yeah - I've seen 35 for the ABs as well (and 36).

                But, I got to 34 and couldn't see anyone else I needed. Everyone else seems more valuable in the AB XV.

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                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                  So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                  I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                  Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                  de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                  Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                  Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                  Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                  Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                  Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                  Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                  Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                  Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                  So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                  Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                  Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                  Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                  Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                  Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                  Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                  McKenzie, Gatland
                  Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                  Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

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                  @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                  So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                  I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                  Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                  de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                  Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                  Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                  Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                  Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                  Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                  Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                  Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                  Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                  So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                  Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                  Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                  Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                  Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                  Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                  Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                  McKenzie, Gatland
                  Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                  Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                  Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

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                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                    @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

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                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

                    @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

                    Isn't that just Aus paper talk, hell he would get a lot more going to Japan if he was actually going.

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                    • GrooterG Grooter

                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                      So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                      I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                      Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                      de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                      Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                      Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                      Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                      Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                      Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                      Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                      Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                      Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                      So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                      Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                      Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                      Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                      Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                      Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                      Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                      McKenzie, Gatland
                      Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                      Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                      Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

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                      @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                      So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                      I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                      Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                      de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                      Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                      Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                      Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                      Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                      Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                      Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                      Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                      Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                      So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                      Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                      Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                      Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                      Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                      Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                      Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                      McKenzie, Gatland
                      Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                      Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                      Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

                      I would have Stevenson definitely, not sure if Holland can play in WC next year (residential?) so might be better to stick with players who can even if I think he is going to be one of the greats in a few years. Wouldn't mind seeing Roigard get a gig at 9 either.

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                      • Dan54D Dan54

                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:

                        @cgrant rumours he might be off to league...so that'll put a fork in him if he is

                        Isn't that just Aus paper talk, hell he would get a lot more going to Japan if he was actually going.

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                        @Dan54 it was initially mentioned by a poster who has some of the best sauce, then a week later was that article, so who knows.

                        I think he is a shoe in for a spot if he is sticking around.

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                        • Dan54D Dan54

                          @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                          So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                          I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                          Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                          de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                          Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                          Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                          Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                          Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                          Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                          Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                          Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                          Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                          So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                          Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                          Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                          Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                          Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                          Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                          Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                          McKenzie, Gatland
                          Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                          Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                          Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

                          I would have Stevenson definitely, not sure if Holland can play in WC next year (residential?) so might be better to stick with players who can even if I think he is going to be one of the greats in a few years. Wouldn't mind seeing Roigard get a gig at 9 either.

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                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

                          @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                          So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                          I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                          Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                          de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                          Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                          Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                          Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                          Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                          Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                          Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                          Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                          Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                          So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                          Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                          Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                          Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                          Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                          Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                          Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                          McKenzie, Gatland
                          Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                          Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                          Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

                          I would have Stevenson definitely, not sure if Holland can play in WC next year (residential?) so might be better to stick with players who can even if I think he is going to be one of the greats in a few years. Wouldn't mind seeing Roigard get a gig at 9 either.

                          Some are predicting Fakatava might be sent to play in these two matches, if so I still hope he will play for the main All Blacks side against Japan beforehand

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                            @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

                            @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                            So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                            I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                            Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                            de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                            Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                            Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                            Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                            Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                            Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                            Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                            Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                            Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                            So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                            Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                            Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                            Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                            Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                            Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                            Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                            McKenzie, Gatland
                            Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                            Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                            Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

                            I would have Stevenson definitely, not sure if Holland can play in WC next year (residential?) so might be better to stick with players who can even if I think he is going to be one of the greats in a few years. Wouldn't mind seeing Roigard get a gig at 9 either.

                            Some are predicting Fakatava might be sent to play in these two matches, if so I still hope he will play for the main All Blacks side against Japan beforehand

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                            @FakatavaAllBlack I thought that earlier, but given the relative squad numbers, I think it will genuinely be the All Blacks and a 2nd XV (26) so to speak - with one way traffic - people being released to play for the 2nd XV.

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                              How has Ratima been for Waikato? any chance he makes the squad?

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                                @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                                So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                                I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                                Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                                de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                                Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                                Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                                Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                                Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                                Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                                Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                                Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                                Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                                So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                                Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                                Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                                Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                                Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                                Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                                Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                                McKenzie, Gatland
                                Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                                Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                                Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

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                                @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:

                                @Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:

                                So, 36 for the AB squad and 26 for the ABs XV with some crossover seems the intel. But,...
                                I struggle to see the need for 36 ABs, so I'm going for 34 and 28 - you can promote a couple as you see fit.

                                Otherwise - I reckon the ABs will be pretty predictable.

                                de Groot, Bower, Tu'ungafasi
                                Sami T., Taylor, Coles
                                Lomax, Laulala, Newell
                                Retallick, Whitelock, SBarrett, Vaaí
                                Frizell, AIoane, Cane, Papali'i, Savea, Sotutu
                                Smith, Christie, Fakatava
                                Mo'unga, BBarrett,
                                Havili, RTS, ALB, RIoane
                                Clarke, Fainga'anuku, Jordan, Reece, JBarrett, Perofeta

                                So, an additional 28 man squad, that might have to be a bit front row heavy, given there's a few outside backs sure to be available from the ABs. Injuries might preclude a couple.

                                Ross, Williams, Hodgman
                                Aumua, McAlister, Thompson
                                Taávao, Jager, Franks (maybe/maybe not for Owen)
                                Dickson, Tuipolotou, Strange,
                                Sowakula, Harmon, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu'u
                                Weber, Perenara, Roigard
                                McKenzie, Gatland
                                Nankivell, Ennor, Aumua
                                Telea, Lam, Love, ZSullivan

                                Replace Strange with Fabian Holland and we'll be off to the Races🙂

                                A 19 year old who is yet to play Super?

                                Quin's staying in my team! 🙂

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                                  Hinton has Tuipulotu in his AB squad. He'd be a better chance for this team.

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                                  • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                                    How has Ratima been for Waikato? any chance he makes the squad?

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                                    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV:

                                    How has Ratima been for Waikato? any chance he makes the squad?

                                    He's mainly been used off the bench, and his form has been up and down. If both Weber and Perenara are selected for the AB XV there would only be room for one other halfback. Roigard might be favoured.

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                                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                      @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks XV:

                                      How has Ratima been for Waikato? any chance he makes the squad?

                                      He's mainly been used off the bench, and his form has been up and down. If both Weber and Perenara are selected for the AB XV there would only be room for one other halfback. Roigard might be favoured.

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                                      @Bovidae
                                      Or Hotham.

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                                        Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Roe etc, maybe others, have all been mentioned at various times. Seems it depends on a particular tun of form and recency bias as to who is seen as the front runner(s).

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                                          @Bovidae
                                          Or Hotham.

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                                          @cgrant said in All Blacks XV:

                                          @Bovidae
                                          Or Hotham.

                                          I'd be very surprised if they pick anyone who hasn't played Super rugby.

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