Too horrific for words - Moko Rangitoheriri case
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<p>Both sentenced to 17 years - longest manslaughter sentence imposed in NZ for the killing of a child.</p>
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<p>Good. May those two sacks of shit rot (and learn exactly what other inmates think of child killers.)</p> -
Here's a case in the U.K that rivals the Moko murder.<br><br>
This guy is easily the worse piece of shit on the planet<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://nzh.tw/11663958">http://nzh.tw/11663958</a><br><br>
In case you had followed the case (UK ferners would have heard about it)<br>
He was charged for assaulting his little girl a few years ago but cried innocent. Some reason his conviction was over turned and went on a full pr exercise, tv shows the works. Said he loved his daughter he would never harm her. Was then given custody back, a massive fatal mistake. Other family members fought to stop him, seems they didn't believe the bs. Even the poor little thing begged not too be returned to him. -
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<p>Here's a case in the U.K that rivals the Moko murder.<br><br>
This guy is easily the worse piece of shit on the planet<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://nzh.tw/11663958">http://nzh.tw/11663958</a><br><br>
In case you had followed the case (UK ferners would have heard about it)<br>
He was charged for assaulting his little girl a few years ago but cried innocent. Some reason his conviction was over turned and went on a full pr exercise, tv shows the works. Said he loved his daughter he would never harm her. Was then given custody back, a massive fatal mistake. Other family members fought to stop him, seems they didn't believe the bs. Even the poor little thing begged not too be returned to him.</p>
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<p>You can't read that sort of stuff without your heart breaking. To do that to ANY child would be unthinkable, your own is just one step further down the chain to complete depravity.</p>
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<p>You can't read that sort of stuff without your heart breaking. To do that to ANY child would be unthinkable, your own is just one step further down the chain to complete depravity.</p>
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<p>I guess you just have to hope the old clichÃs about child killers/sexual offenders etc getting it tough in prison are true.</p>
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<p>I knew a guy who was put in jail for drug charges, but spent two weeks in maximum security prison while he was being sentenced (which in itself was fucking ridiculous given his charges). He said it was the scariest two weeks of his life and yes, what you hear about child killers/sexual offenders is all true and some. Daily beatings. Those two won't have a good time in prison.</p> -
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<p>Here's a case in the U.K that rivals the Moko murder.<br><br>
This guy is easily the worse piece of shit on the planet<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://nzh.tw/11663958">http://nzh.tw/11663958</a><br><br>
In case you had followed the case (UK ferners would have heard about it)<br>
He was charged for assaulting his little girl a few years ago but cried innocent. Some reason his conviction was over turned and went on a full pr exercise, tv shows the works. Said he loved his daughter he would never harm her. Was then given custody back, a massive fatal mistake. Other family members fought to stop him, seems they didn't believe the bs. Even the poor little thing begged not too be returned to him.</p>
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<p>That judge. Holy shit. And the grandparents who provided such good loving care. Massive, massive failure by the court system.</p> -
Attorney General has explained the rationale for accepting a manslaughter conviction over a murder trial - basically didn't think they could hold both fully to account, and the evidence was marginal without the information from each of the offenders, which may not have been forthcoming without downgrading the charges.
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<p>Do you guys ( and girl ) think this sort of thing resonates more if you have kids yourself ? interested to hear viewpoints. For whatever reason I've found myself getting updates on the James Bulgar case over the years, I have vivid memories of the fury I felt when I was living in London doing the good old Kiwi OE and hearing about how one of the killers was allowed out to go to football games, had a PlayStation etc. I also remember details of how they killed him and what they actually did to end the poor kids life, Google it if you want, I'm not gonna bring myself to actually write it down.</p>
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<p>When reading about the stuff on the papers on the tube in London I wasn't a Dad, had no intention of ever being one truth be told but even then it still broke my heart. However this feeling was multiplied when I read details of their "rehabilitation", this would have been around 2010 from memory as MN5 the elder who turned 8 yesterday was 2. I put myself in the position of JBs mother, turning her back for a few moments and losing her little man in the mall, we've all been there but what are the chances that two fucken psycho KIDS of ten years of age would grab the boy and brutally murder him ?</p>
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<p>You would NEVER forgive yourself as a parent.</p> -
<p>If there's one thing I can't stand it's arsehole parents telling people that don't have kids that "you wouldn't understand because you're not a parent". I call bullshit on that, it's not a difficult thing to grasp. People are all different and have varying degrees of empathy. No doubt there are people with kids but very little empathy that couldn't give a fuck, and people without kids that are very empathetic and get very upset by cases like this.</p>
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<p>In saying that, for me personally I do think cases like this impact me more now that I have little NQ junior running around. I guess it is easier now to imagine my child in that situation and how that would affect me. But everybody has loved ones so it's not a foreign concept, and there are 1000s of arsehole parents that couldn't give two fucks. So you can't generalise on stuff like this.</p>
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<p>Edit - not that that is what you guys were doing, that scorn is aimed at other parents I see on social media etc.</p> -
<p>It was a different type of situation; the fire that killed the Doha triplets happened about a year after my eldest was born, and I can remember it affecting me 'unusually' strongly. Having one little one in the house for the first time, I just couldn't process the possibility of losing any kids, let alone losing three of your own all at the same time.</p>
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<p>Like NQ, I'm normally suspect of people claiming 'you have to be a parent to understand XYZ', but this definitely hit me in a way that it wouldn't have two years previously.</p>
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<p>It was a case of Brain Just Cannot Compute. Situation Impossible. This Cannot Be.</p> -
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It was a different type of situation; the fire that killed the Doha triplets happened about a year after my eldest was born, and I can remember it affecting me 'unusually' strongly. Having one little one in the house for the first time, I just couldn't process the possibility of losing any kids, let alone losing three of your own all at the same time.<br><br>
Like NQ, I'm normally suspect of people claiming 'you have to be a parent to understand XYZ', but this definitely hit me in a way that it wouldn't have two years previously.<br><br>
It was a case of Brain Just Cannot Compute. <br><br>
Situation Impossible. This Cannot Be.</p></blockquote>
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The mother of those triplets is mrs Jeggas friend , I didn't go to the funeral apparently it was as awful as you'd expect . The father turned up to the mall to see if his kids were OK and the head firefighter pulled out his phone and flicked through the photos and asked him which kids were his . I can't even begin to know how you'd deal with a scene like that . -
All of these protests against the courts for "justice for Moko" are mis-directed. <br><br>
- the court doesn't make the law, parliament does so that's where the protest should be. <br><br>
- the attorney general did what he could with the current laws to ensure these two fuckwits got put away for good (they won't be released). <br><br>
- the law is not the cause of the systemic child abuse in NZ. It's not even the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. What the hell makes people think if we changed the law to make it easier to charge murder in this specific case that Moko would still be alive? Those ferals wouldn't have the slightest idea about law.<br><br>
The problem with cases like this is the horrific child abuse that occurs every day in NZ. Laws won't fix that. NZ society as a whole has a serious problem that needs to be addressed. There's no silver bullet, but I would hope that this case puts focus on the wide spread child abuse and domestic violence rather then a couple of specific laws - that's what we need to be talking about right now.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="592291" data-time="1467008452"><p>All of these protests against the courts for "justice for Moko" are mis-directed. <br><br>
- the court doesn't make the law, parliament does so that's where the protest should be. <br><br>
- the attorney general did what he could with the current laws to ensure these two fuckwits got put away for good (they won't be released). <br><br>
- the law is not the cause of the systemic child abuse in NZ. It's not even the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. What the hell makes people think if we changed the law to make it easier to charge murder in this specific case that Moko would still be alive? Those ferals wouldn't have the slightest idea about law.<br><br>
The problem with cases like this is the horrific child abuse that occurs every day in NZ. Laws won't fix that. NZ society as a whole has a serious problem that needs to be addressed. There's no silver bullet, but I would hope that this case puts focus on the wide spread child abuse and domestic violence rather then a couple of specific laws - that's what we need to he talking about right now.</p></blockquote>
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Where Gun culture and gun supply is Americas great burden and national shame, how we treat our kids is ours.<br><br>
Internationally we are thought of as a warm, kind and caring country. So why do we treat our kids so awefully.
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<p>Here's a case in the U.K that rivals the Moko murder.<br><br>
This guy is easily the worse piece of shit on the planet<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://nzh.tw/11663958">http://nzh.tw/11663958</a><br><br>
In case you had followed the case (UK ferners would have heard about it)<br>
He was charged for assaulting his little girl a few years ago but cried innocent. Some reason his conviction was over turned and went on a full pr exercise, tv shows the works. Said he loved his daughter he would never harm her. Was then given custody back, a massive fatal mistake. Other family members fought to stop him, seems they didn't believe the bs. Even the poor little thing begged not too be returned to him.</p>
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<p>So often in these cases it is a failure of social services (bloody hard job to do mind) but in this case the judge ruled against the advice (and pleading) of he social services, the police and the child's grandfather, who left the judge with the chilling words "You will have blood on your hands". 18 months alter this came to pass. Sad and shocking.</p> -
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<p>Where Gun culture and gun supply is Americas great burden and national shame, how we treat our kids is ours.<br><br>
Internationally we are thought of as a warm, kind and caring country. <strong>So why do we treat our kids so awefully.</strong></p>
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<p>I didn't realise this was such problem for NZ. Is it settled mainly on any particular sub-set of NZ society or is it pretty general?</p> -
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<p>Do you guys ( and girl ) think this sort of thing resonates more if you have kids yourself ? interested to hear viewpoints. For whatever reason I've found myself getting updates on the James Bulgar case over the years, I have vivid memories of the fury I felt when I was living in London doing the good old Kiwi OE and hearing about how one of the killers was allowed out to go to football games, had a PlayStation etc. I also remember details of how they killed him and what they actually did to end the poor kids life, Google it if you want, I'm not gonna bring myself to actually write it down.</p>
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<p>When reading about the stuff on the papers on the tube in London I wasn't a Dad, had no intention of ever being one truth be told but even then it still broke my heart. However this feeling was multiplied when I read details of their "rehabilitation", this would have been around 2010 from memory as MN5 the elder who turned 8 yesterday was 2. I put myself in the position of JBs mother, turning her back for a few moments and losing her little man in the mall, we've all been there but what are the chances that two fucken psycho KIDS of ten years of age would grab the boy and brutally murder him ?</p>
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<p>You would NEVER forgive yourself as a parent.</p>
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<p>and I think it was about 2003/2004 when they looking at sending one of those boys out to NZ, Aus, Canada to start a new life where they wouldnt be recognized and vilified at every turn...also think it was the boy of the 2 who apparently had little remorse for what they did.</p>
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<p>Yeah if anyone hurt your kid the way you hear some of the things in the media, you would struggle to contain most normal people and keep them out of prison themselves, like that bloke that chased that dude 400m and beat him to death...I can understand why, but he had an awful long time to think about the consequences of his actions before embarking on handing out his justice...</p> -
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<p>I didn't realise this was such problem for NZ. Is it settled mainly on any particular sub-set of NZ society or is it pretty general?</p>
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<p>It's not pretty general to be honest.</p>
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OK Jegga thanks. I'll close off this line of questioning.
