All Blacks XV 2022
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@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
So yeah, sometime i think they freak out that we might not have the depth they want and so they pick people just in case that depth is needed
im probably not wording it right, its not a conspiracy or underhanded, but my original point, theyre not telling 28 year olds they dont have a shot, because they want everyone to hold out for their shot at the best rugby team in history...just in case their needed
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
On PGS has anyone heard much on the rumour, he perhaps played up a bit at training, and perhaps may have a lot to do with not making even AB XV
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
On PGS has anyone heard much on the rumour, he perhaps played up a bit at training, and perhaps may have a lot to do with not making even AB XV
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
On PGS has anyone heard much on the rumour, he perhaps played up a bit at training, and perhaps may have a lot to do with not making even AB XV
It was mentioned in a press article that there were some minor indiscretions when in camp but it was also stated that they had no impact on his selections (or not). That’s all I have heard.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial you know thats not how I was meaning it.
Hey, it was your words!
If that’s not what you meant that’s great but don’t blame me for what you wrote.
As I have told the missus for decades, I’m not a mind reader.@Crucial well if you take just that line you quoted and not read all of what I said, then yeah it could be taken how you thought I did.
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Drummond, of course.
On form, I'd pick Roe over Ratima. He would also offer something different to TJP and Roigard.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Drummond, of course.
On form, I'd pick Roe over Ratima. He would also offer something different to TJP and Roigard.
On NPC season form I’d agree. I thought that Ratima played much better after a while though.
What I like about Ratima is that when on song he brings a more robust game. The ABs obviously prefer a certain style though and Roe fits that better -
Not Willi Heinz? Thought they would rush him in. I think Ratima became a bit hesitant this season but improved at the end. I think Roe has best kicking game in nz for a 9 but do admit he could be more robust.
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
Not Willi Heinz? Thought they would rush him in. I think Ratima became a bit hesitant this season but improved at the end. I think Roe has best kicking game in nz for a 9 but do admit he could be more robust.
Hasn't he played for England?
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@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
So yeah, sometime i think they freak out that we might not have the depth they want and so they pick people just in case that depth is needed
im probably not wording it right, its not a conspiracy or underhanded, but my original point, theyre not telling 28 year olds they dont have a shot, because they want everyone to hold out for their shot at the best rugby team in history...just in case their needed
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial feels like semantics now, yeah, i think some people are selected "just in case" as in building depth. and some times that depth goes past the obvious selections, i feel in the past the 4th or 5th choice or a bolter for a position was normally someone young so you were developing long term talent...but now it feels like we are just as likely to see a 28 year old come out of the blue...they cant be seen as a long term option
I guess it depends on what your definition of long term option is. Let’s say Aumua makes the ABs because of a combination of his form and injury to one or two others (not an unusual path) and he finds his feet in test footy quickly. He could still have 5 or even 6 years of test footy (some recent ABs have played till 34 or 35).
That would be a lot more than past ABs who were selected at 22 or 23 who have played a few tests, been on the fringe for a year or two and then gone overseas to play club footy as an “All Black International”.
The thing with pro team sport selections is that it’s subjective and each is on its merits for the particular circumstances. Let’s not forget we have had injuries galore in the midfield over a number of years so building depth would be a priority for any coach/selector.
using PGS again as the example...it wasn;t a mistake, they didnt select him as an accident, he was chosen to at most play 20min, in the past i think we would have had someone younger come on to play 10 minute bursts and you could legitimately say they were selected with the potential to go on and play more.
One could easily argue that the PGS was a genuine look because we had for arguments sake player X who was in and out because of injury and player Y who they weren’t sure about and player Z playing lock and filling in. Again this sort of selection has been a feature on the past. If you start looking at other factors like who the player is also eligible to play for or worrying about “will they actually be long term”, then you might miss something that will help you immediately.
So yeah, sometime i think they freak out that we might not have the depth they want and so they pick people just in case that depth is needed
Been happening for the last 15 years since the evolution of the full use of the 22/23. I’d say but don’t have any hard data to back it up, but injuries are far more common so not being caught out is pretty important.
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@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV
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@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV
@Steven-Harris So who did Hodgman piss off?
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Who is the replacement captain with Patrick Tuipulotu being elevated. TJ might be in the running maybe.
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
Who is the replacement captain with Patrick Tuipulotu being elevated. TJ might be in the running maybe.
The Barretts are expected to return next week so I think that DMac and Tuipulotu are only temporary replacements for the Japan test. Foster is saying that they should join up with the AB XV squad before they play.
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@Steven-Harris So who did Hodgman piss off?
@Tim does appear he’s not favour with this selection group
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@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV
Shit, does that mean he's signed for Canterbury for next year? :winking_face:
Anyway, that's awesome for him.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
Not Willi Heinz? Thought they would rush him in. I think Ratima became a bit hesitant this season but improved at the end. I think Roe has best kicking game in nz for a 9 but do admit he could be more robust.
Hasn't he played for England?
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@booboo yes but this is not a capture team so could be picked if 3 years stand down is up by rwc. Not sure on timing there.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
@booboo yes but this is not a capture team do could be picked if 3 years stand down is up by rwc. Not sure on timing there.
2019 when he last played, but dude is 36 next month.
Absolutely no point in selecting him.
@booboo several in the squad meet that criteria IMO.
@Steven-Harris you must be stoked with that!
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@booboo several in the squad meet that criteria IMO.
@Steven-Harris you must be stoked with that!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@booboo several in the squad meet that criteria IMO.
Only Bryce Heem.
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer Pouri Rakete Stones been called into the All Black XV
Shit, does that mean he's signed for Canterbury for next year? :winking_face:
Anyway, that's awesome for him.
@Nepia got another year on his Canes contract.
