All Blacks vs Wales
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Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
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Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
Adams injured?
Did not see Dyer in thereHe’s going to be targeted like fuck
Could be an easy & enjoyable afternoon for Sevu ReeceAnd did not see Tips at 6 and Reffell at 7
Happy for Reffell
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph @TheMojoman #metoo
Although I'll put forward the suggestion that ST and Taylor swap roles. Feel we'll get more from his impact against less structured defences.
I'm ready for the counter arguments. But I disagree.
I also feel my suggestion was kind of supported by performances on Saturday.
my counter to that would be that Sami is about the only forward getting over the advantage line when he carries.. you need that from the start, not just the last 20
I get that. Love him as much as everyone else on here.
But he wasn't effective starting on Saturday.
Not saying I'm unhappy with him starting, but would give serious consideration to swapping the hookers.
Really? He went forward with his balling running as he always does. Retallick's try came from Samisoni busting the defence and then putting BBBR away with the final pass.
The lineout certainly wasn't operating at 100% but to me the throws looked ok to me - looked more like issues with reception by the jumpers.
He's our best hooker by a country mile - need him playing 50-60 minutes in big tests. He's shown in multiple tests he is an effective starter. Suddenly benching him based on one outing vs Japan when he wasn't even that bad feels like over-thinking it.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph @TheMojoman #metoo
Although I'll put forward the suggestion that ST and Taylor swap roles. Feel we'll get more from his impact against less structured defences.
I'm ready for the counter arguments. But I disagree.
I also feel my suggestion was kind of supported by performances on Saturday.
my counter to that would be that Sami is about the only forward getting over the advantage line when he carries.. you need that from the start, not just the last 20
I get that. Love him as much as everyone else on here.
But he wasn't effective starting on Saturday.
Not saying I'm unhappy with him starting, but would give serious consideration to swapping the hookers.
Really? He went forward with his balling running as he always does. Retallick's try came from Samisoni busting the defence and then putting BBBR away with the final pass.
The lineout certainly wasn't operating at 100% but to me the throws looked ok to me - looked more like issues with reception by the jumpers.
He's our best hooker by a country mile - need him playing 50-60 minutes in big tests. He's shown in multiple tests he is an effective starter. Suddenly benching him based on one outing vs Japan when he wasn't even that bad feels like over-thinking it.
100%.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph @TheMojoman #metoo
Although I'll put forward the suggestion that ST and Taylor swap roles. Feel we'll get more from his impact against less structured defences.
I'm ready for the counter arguments. But I disagree.
I also feel my suggestion was kind of supported by performances on Saturday.
my counter to that would be that Sami is about the only forward getting over the advantage line when he carries.. you need that from the start, not just the last 20
I get that. Love him as much as everyone else on here.
But he wasn't effective starting on Saturday.
Not saying I'm unhappy with him starting, but would give serious consideration to swapping the hookers.
Really? He went forward with his balling running as he always does. Retallick's try came from Samisoni busting the defence and then putting BBBR away with the final pass.
The lineout certainly wasn't operating at 100% but to me the throws looked ok to me - looked more like issues with reception by the jumpers.
He's our best hooker by a country mile - need him playing 50-60 minutes in big tests. He's shown in multiple tests he is an effective starter. Suddenly benching him based on one outing vs Japan when he wasn't even that bad feels like over-thinking it.
Sami’s throws were off in Saturday. Lucky BBBR try wasn’t cancelled for crooked throw. Even TJ noticed that and a second one, later in first H, I think.
Don't believe a word of what the commentators say with regard to decisions. They spent ages trying to convince everyone about a forward pass that wasn't because they only looked at the passer's body and not his arm/hand.
The refs on the board can probably confirm this but 'crooked' throws aren't necessarily a problem unless the catcher reaches to the outside of the line to catch.@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph @TheMojoman #metoo
Although I'll put forward the suggestion that ST and Taylor swap roles. Feel we'll get more from his impact against less structured defences.
I'm ready for the counter arguments. But I disagree.
I also feel my suggestion was kind of supported by performances on Saturday.
my counter to that would be that Sami is about the only forward getting over the advantage line when he carries.. you need that from the start, not just the last 20
I get that. Love him as much as everyone else on here.
But he wasn't effective starting on Saturday.
Not saying I'm unhappy with him starting, but would give serious consideration to swapping the hookers.
Really? He went forward with his balling running as he always does. Retallick's try came from Samisoni busting the defence and then putting BBBR away with the final pass.
The lineout certainly wasn't operating at 100% but to me the throws looked ok to me - looked more like issues with reception by the jumpers.
He's our best hooker by a country mile - need him playing 50-60 minutes in big tests. He's shown in multiple tests he is an effective starter. Suddenly benching him based on one outing vs Japan when he wasn't even that bad feels like over-thinking it.
Sami’s throws were off in Saturday. Lucky BBBR try wasn’t cancelled for crooked throw. Even TJ noticed that and a second one, later in first H, I think.
Don't believe a word of what the commentators say with regard to decisions. They spent ages trying to convince everyone about a forward pass that wasn't because they only looked at the passer's body and not his arm/hand.
The refs on the board can probably confirm this but 'crooked' throws aren't necessarily a problem unless the catcher reaches to the outside of the line to catch.Can't believe no one looked at it. Look at the shade of the grass. The pass is released on or beyond the shade change and taken behind. For all the tech Japan is supposed to be renowned for, camera work and computers they are so far behind in.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
Frizell I can accept given Akira provides impact off bench. How much more impact would’ve have been to start with Akira and have Sotutu providing impact?
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
Frizell I can accept given Akira provides impact off bench. How much more impact would’ve have been to start with Akira and have Sotutu providing impact?
um apart from the classic debate at 6 and our best hooker on the bench that isn't a bad side! Less convinced the bench is exciting, but they're not insane choices.
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@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
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@game_film said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Reckon Samisoni is on the bench in the Malcolm Marx role and we might see him after 30 mins if Codie isn’t firing. If Codie goes well then leaves him fresher to cause havoc.
He’s on the bench because Fosters an imbecile. If Codie isn’t firing? When was the last time he was firing other than throwing shit into the line outs? Man Foster and his shit selections piss me off.
@TheMojoman Hence, Samisoni is there for the business end.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
Frizell I can accept given Akira provides impact off bench. How much more impact would’ve have been to start with Akira and have Sotutu providing impact?
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench?
Makes sense to me as Sami can't start every game. Managing workload and all that.
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Taylor didn't play poorly in his last start at all, in a very good team performance at Eden Park. And I think it's good to manage resources honestly. Especially as it should be a fast, flowing game under the roof at Millennium which could suit Taylor. Taukeiaho's power game will be more useful later in the tour.
It's a very strong team.
I'm confident of getting good results this tour but still gotta get lucky with injuries (and judiciary).
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Taylor didn't play poorly in his last start at all, in a very good team performance at Eden Park. And I think it's good to manage resources honestly. Especially as it should be a fast, flowing game under the roof at Millennium which could suit Taylor. Taukeiaho's power game will be more useful later in the tour.
It's a very strong team.
I'm confident of getting good results this tour but still gotta get lucky with injuries (and judiciary).
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench?
Makes sense to me as Sami can't start every game. Managing workload and all that.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench?
Makes sense to me as Sami can't start every game. Managing workload and all that.
That was my thought, it’s just a concern the gap between him and the rest has become so big,
Good team otherwise
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench?
Makes sense to me as Sami can't start every game. Managing workload and all that.
That was my thought, it’s just a concern the gap between him and the rest has become so big,
Good team otherwise
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench?
Makes sense to me as Sami can't start every game. Managing workload and all that.
That was my thought, it’s just a concern the gap between him and the rest has become so big,
Good team otherwise
We seem to have options in pretty much all positions which, if not perfect, at least don't make you hide behind the sofa.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
Frizell I can accept given Akira provides impact off bench. How much more impact would’ve have been to start with Akira and have Sotutu providing impact?
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
This could be a Ryan selection. His default choice for hooker is someone from Canterbury.
I knew that Frizell would be picked. Christie pays for his 'mare against Japan.
I just hope that Foster and co are proactive with their substitutes and yank players if they aren't doing the job.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
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Reckon Samisoni is on the bench in the Malcolm Marx role and we might see him after 30 mins if Codie isn’t firing. If Codie goes well then leaves him fresher to cause havoc.
@game_film said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Reckon Samisoni is on the bench in the Malcolm Marx role and we might see him after 30 mins if Codie isn’t firing. If Codie goes well then leaves him fresher to cause havoc.
Ridiculous idea. Should never even be suggested.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
Adams injured?
Did not see Dyer in thereHe’s going to be targeted like fuck
Could be an easy & enjoyable afternoon for Sevu ReeceAnd did not see Tips at 6 and Reffell at 7
Happy for Reffell
He was the find of the S Africa tour@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
Adams injured?
Did not see Dyer in thereHe’s going to be targeted like fuck
Could be an easy & enjoyable afternoon for Sevu ReeceAnd did not see Tips at 6 and Reffell at 7
Happy for Reffell
He was the find of the S Africa tourBut on the other wing Caleb Clarke will need to bring his A game lining up in front of Rees-Zammit, especially on defence.
