All Blacks vs Wales
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
Yeah people forget he had a very good all round game to compliment the absolutely astonishing attacking skills. I just don’t believe JPR, Blanco or whoever were as good ( only going off highlights but still….)
The only weakness I can think of was he was occasionally a bit of a hungus with the ball in hand.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
Yeah people forget he had a very good all round game to compliment the absolutely astonishing attacking skills. I just don’t believe JPR, Blanco or whoever were as good ( only going off highlights but still….)
The only weakness I can think of was he was occasionally a bit of a hungus with the ball in hand.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
Yeah people forget he had a very good all round game to compliment the absolutely astonishing attacking skills.
The only weakness I can think of was he was occasionally a bit of a hungus with the ball in hand.
Guys like Lomu, Umaga, Wilson etc were a bit average so I understand his desire to tuck and run.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
Adams injured?
Did not see Dyer in thereHe’s going to be targeted like fuck
Could be an easy & enjoyable afternoon for Sevu ReeceAnd did not see Tips at 6 and Reffell at 7
Happy for Reffell
He was the find of the S Africa tourBut on the other wing Caleb Clarke will need to bring his A game lining up in front of Rees-Zammit, especially on defence.
@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Wales:
15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Louis Rees-Zammit, 13. George North, 12. Nick Tompkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Gareth Anscombe, 9. Tomos Williams, 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Will Rowlands, 5. Adam Beard, 6. Justin Tipuric, 7. Tommy Reffell, 8. Taulupe Faletau.Replacements: 16. Ryan Elias, 17. Nicky Smith, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Alun Wyn Jones, 20. Christ Tshiunza, 21. Kieran Hardy, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Owen Watkin.
Adams injured?
Did not see Dyer in thereHe’s going to be targeted like fuck
Could be an easy & enjoyable afternoon for Sevu ReeceAnd did not see Tips at 6 and Reffell at 7
Happy for Reffell
He was the find of the S Africa tourBut on the other wing Caleb Clarke will need to bring his A game lining up in front of Rees-Zammit, especially on defence.
If LRZ gets a pass
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Is this the first time in history wales have no-one named jones in the starting XV?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
Yeah people forget he had a very good all round game to compliment the absolutely astonishing attacking skills.
The only weakness I can think of was he was occasionally a bit of a hungus with the ball in hand.
Guys like Lomu, Umaga, Wilson etc were a bit average so I understand his desire to tuck and run.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
Mils was a more complete fullback. Great alround skilz. I'll go one further, Bender was better than both.
Anyone being a better fullback than Cully does not compute in my simple brain, sorry.
Cully's up there with Blanco & JPR in the GOAT Pantheon. Mils was bloody great though and his consistency was astonishing but not on that level.
As this is the Wales thread, I'll give a mention to Leigh Halfpenny. Hugely underrated player IMHO - does he ever have a bad game?
Still my favourite player of all time. Cullen just shredded teams with ease back in the day and his strength was something else for such a small guy.
Yeah people forget he had a very good all round game to compliment the absolutely astonishing attacking skills.
The only weakness I can think of was he was occasionally a bit of a hungus with the ball in hand.
Guys like Lomu, Umaga, Wilson etc were a bit average so I understand his desire to tuck and run.
I know, they could only dream of having the attacking talents of Ralph, Hamilton, Bridge etc.
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Pleased they are sticking with JB at 12, could be the way forward from here on.
I can understand the workload thing for ST, but Taylor is a big drop down these days.
Interesting that Christie can get dropped for a poor performance against Japan, but Frizzell stinking up the joint does not. Made no impact with his supposed power game against a pretty small Japan side.
Similar to JB at 12, it's time to play Akira at 6 - same with Dalton at 7 and start building that combo. I like what the other posters above mentioned with Sotutu being on the bench instead, gives options for real impact from the bench combined with impact from the start.
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Pleased they are sticking with JB at 12, could be the way forward from here on.
I can understand the workload thing for ST, but Taylor is a big drop down these days.
Interesting that Christie can get dropped for a poor performance against Japan, but Frizzell stinking up the joint does not. Made no impact with his supposed power game against a pretty small Japan side.
Similar to JB at 12, it's time to play Akira at 6 - same with Dalton at 7 and start building that combo. I like what the other posters above mentioned with Sotutu being on the bench instead, gives options for real impact from the bench combined with impact from the start.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
but Taylor is a big drop down these days.
and thats on the coaching team for persisting with CT & DC rather than dropping one of them and getting someone else up to speed.
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RM-JB-RI could become a very good combo
SW captain is a good permanent option -
With Taylor it sounds like plans might have changed when Samisoni had to start last week vs Japan with that late change.
Will be interesting when Havili and ALB come on and at what positions.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Will be interesting when Havili and ALB come on and at what positions.
It certainly covers all bases especially with ALB back and we have genuine centre cover. Quinn or LF may be that player in the future.
Clarke or Reece get injured or replaced, Ioane to wing and ALB to centre.
Richie or Beaudie and Havili comes on and Jordie moves to fullback.
I know many don’t like the two changes when a replacement comes on, but such is the game these days given the bench is not just about injury replacements. Versatility is critical with both starters and bench players.
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strong team, if this team cant make a statement then some serious questions will be asked
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Will be interesting when Havili and ALB come on and at what positions.
It certainly covers all bases especially with ALB back and we have genuine centre cover. Quinn or LF may be that player in the future.
Clarke or Reece get injured or replaced, Ioane to wing and ALB to centre.
Richie or Beaudie and Havili comes on and Jordie moves to fullback.
I know many don’t like the two changes when a replacement comes on, but such is the game these days given the bench is not just about injury replacements. Versatility is critical with both starters and bench players.
@ACT-Crusader yeah thats me, I hate it
I also can't see what Havili provides in impact. He's, at best, a solid no-frills starter. I would like a bench option who has the ability to blow a tight game open. He's an old fashioned reserve selection.
Would prefer ALB and an outside back with a bit of power.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Why is our best frickin hooker on the frickin bench? Mr Codie “I can’t throw straight under pressure” Taylor starts instead? FFS I can’t wait to see the back of Foster and his stooopid selections.
This could be a Ryan selection. His default choice for hooker is someone from Canterbury.
I knew that Frizell would be picked. Christie pays for his 'mare against Japan.
I just hope that Foster and co are proactive with their substitutes and yank players if they aren't doing the job.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
This could be a Ryan selection. His default choice for hooker is someone from Canterbury.
About time aye. I’ve been posting my teams on here for years and finally they’ve come to their senses. Long may it continue.
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But, as they have shown, the selectors know their best 23, and they are repeatedly picking it. I respect their apparent clarity of thought.
I expect us to win.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
But, as they have shown, the selectors know their best 23, and they are repeatedly picking it. I respect their apparent clarity of thought.
I expect us to win.
it's the right option. It's high risk, but we are not playing at a high enough level to rotate.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
But, as they have shown, the selectors know their best 23, and they are repeatedly picking it. I respect their apparent clarity of thought.
I expect us to win.
it's the right option. It's high risk, but we are not playing at a high enough level to rotate.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
But, as they have shown, the selectors know their best 23, and they are repeatedly picking it. I respect their apparent clarity of thought.
I expect us to win.
it's the right option. It's high risk, but we are not playing at a high enough level to rotate.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
But, as they have shown, the selectors know their best 23, and they are repeatedly picking it. I respect their apparent clarity of thought.
I expect us to win.
it's the right option. It's high risk, but we are not playing at a high enough level to rotate.
I think they’ve done a pretty decent job in trying to maintain a fairly stable 23 when there seems to have been more disruption this season than the two previous. We’ve had injuries, illness, suspensions, personal issues, family matters - all part and parcel with the game and team sport, but there seems to have been more of it this year. And it’s the illness and personal/family matters that are probably more disruptive because at least with an injury you can plan rehab recovery etc. Those other things are less predictable in terms of return dates.
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@nzzp I don't reckon it is.
Thr guys bubbling under aren't debutantes they have solid minutes under them and will slot in.
Sure if we lose like 4 or 5 at the same time it'll get ropey but that's the same for everyone
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nzzp I don't reckon it is.
Up to a few matches ago, we had no clue what our best 23 was. FFS dropping Sami for Ireland 3 still boggles my brain - we were playing like we had a 2015 All Black squad, when the reality was we had a couple of locked in players (Smith, RIoane) and a whole lotta arguments.
Picking a 23 and letting combinations form is a solid move. It's high risk - but I think we're backed into a corner. Otherwise you're doing what we did in 2019 and going into the RWC without settling on a 6 or midfield.
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@ACT-Crusader yeah thats me, I hate it
I also can't see what Havili provides in impact. He's, at best, a solid no-frills starter. I would like a bench option who has the ability to blow a tight game open. He's an old fashioned reserve selection.
Would prefer ALB and an outside back with a bit of power.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@ACT-Crusader yeah thats me, I hate it
I also can't see what Havili provides in impact. He's, at best, a solid no-frills starter. I would like a bench option who has the ability to blow a tight game open. He's an old fashioned reserve selection.
Would prefer ALB and an outside back with a bit of power.
Once Will Jordan comes back and Reece goes to the bench, I expect ALB covers both midfield positions and Havili drops out of the 23.
