All Blacks vs Wales
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How good was our clean out. It was exactly what I've been wanting to see for some time. The forwards were clinically brutal shifting any opposition from the breakdown area
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
How good was our clean out. It was exactly what I've been wanting to see for some time. The forwards were clinically brutal shifting any opposition from the breakdown area
And without risking a card too.
@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
How good was our clean out. It was exactly what I've been wanting to see for some time. The forwards were clinically brutal shifting any opposition from the breakdown area
And without risking a card too.
Did the Welsh get many turnovers from the ruck or holding on penalties? If there were it was not many and we got a few key ones.
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One thing the Welsh did extremely well was to protect the winger from AS box kicks, it was literally a wall of players going back meaning our chasers simply could not compete for the ball. It appears they have practised and almost perfected the box defence.
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One thing the Welsh did extremely well was to protect the winger from AS box kicks, it was literally a wall of players going back meaning our chasers simply could not compete for the ball. It appears they have practised and almost perfected the box defence.
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@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
How good was our clean out. It was exactly what I've been wanting to see for some time. The forwards were clinically brutal shifting any opposition from the breakdown area
And without risking a card too.
Did the Welsh get many turnovers from the ruck or holding on penalties? If there were it was not many and we got a few key ones.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
How good was our clean out. It was exactly what I've been wanting to see for some time. The forwards were clinically brutal shifting any opposition from the breakdown area
And without risking a card too.
Did the Welsh get many turnovers from the ruck or holding on penalties? If there were it was not many and we got a few key ones.
One where ardie got cute. Stood there. Got folded meaning his cleaner (ioane I think) had no chance when two welsh forwards just drove him.
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@Victor-Meldrew Cotter excellent as ever. I thought Warburton and Gatland were good co-commentators too.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew Cotter excellent as ever. I thought Warburton and Gatland were good co-commentators too.
Knowledgeable, adds colour while sticking to what's happening on the screen, gets the excitement over without being emotional. The Dan Carter of commentators for me.
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Despite the high number of points scored, it was far from a fast flowing game. How many times did B. Barrett, Reece, R. Ioane and Clarke got the ball in attacking situations ? The AB management had decided to win it with the forwards, which they did comfortably.
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@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
I suspect as it takes forever for the 9 to setup the box kick 4 defenders simply create a line and then jog slowly together towards their winger without changing their line effectively creating a screen. I have to say it was very effective and probably the best I have seen so far in negating the box kick battle.
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Despite the high number of points scored, it was far from a fast flowing game. How many times did B. Barrett, Reece, R. Ioane and Clarke got the ball in attacking situations ? The AB management had decided to win it with the forwards, which they did comfortably.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Despite the high number of points scored, it was far from a fast flowing game. How many times did B. Barrett, Reece, R. Ioane and Clarke got the ball in attacking situations ? The AB management had decided to win it with the forwards, which they did comfortably.
It was a game for the fatties for sure, the sweet hold and pass from BB to JB was nice but yes that was one of the best forward displays for awhile. Bloody Reece had just One run the entire game for no metres and CC not much better with 4 runs for 12m. They clearly did not want to go much wider than JB.
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Just finished watching, and have skimmed this thread.
Have to say, the tone of the thread is way more negative than I expected - there really is a whining tone! I was thoroughly entertained by that, and I certainly don't agree that Barnes favoured them. Sure the breakdowns were a reffed a bit inconsistent, but jeez, that seems to be par for the course these days.
I have a bigger issue with the lengthy penalty advantages he played, but we both benefitted from that - I really wish there was a clearer directive from WR on this (time passed, # of phases allowed, metres gained, something!)
Some other rambling thoughts:
- I thought both Welsh tries were fine - the lineout try was beautiful to watch, the extra runner, we didn't know what the fuck was going on - clever and well executed. The "knock on" try was also fine, I didn't see any clear separation before the grounding, they should have looked at it once and decided "nothing clear, move on". I hate the endless views to find the 1mm of clear air to overturn the decision
- rugby is a funny game in that one week an action is fine, another can be a red card, the difference being a matter of millimetres or interpretation - 2 cases in point were a 1st half cleanout by us at a breakdown that looked suspiciously like Brodies last week, where the only area to target was the neck. The 2nd was the take by Faletau in the 51st min, where he did the Jordie high-knee action - if Paps does a soccer dive, it could have been very different
- how good to see Smith finally running - he won't make breaks like that all the time, but it keeps the D thinking
- Savea best on ground, and he finally passed it, yay! But fuck me, what an egg with that dive!
- I don't mind the Smith clearing box kick in play that we used a lot in the 1st half, it takes away a lineout maul and we obviously think we can defend better from there than from a lineout - but think we need to mix it up a bit with a longer clear from 10 sometimes
- Discipline and poor hands was pretty stark, was the dew that bad??? The Welsh didn't seem to have the same issues.
- Thought we could have fed the backs a little more - forwards and 10/12 pretty hungus. Jordie was great, straight hard running all day, but would like to see some variation - if he's not distributing, then using him as a dummy runner. We have a devastating runner in Clarke, and his only touches were loopy cut-outs with zero space
- Akira should have come on at HT, it was the perfect game for him
- The Richie tackle obviously awesome, but that was comically bad from Anscombe - how can someone at this level not instinctively switch the ball to the other hand to attempt a fend???!!!
- How wicked is it to have such an attacking threat in our lineout maul? A trusty thrower, simple, well-worked lineout moves, and a really good set-up. That Sami/Soni bloke goes pretty good too.
All-in-all, I really enjoyed that game!
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew Cotter excellent as ever. I thought Warburton and Gatland were good co-commentators too.
Knowledgeable, adds colour while sticking to what's happening on the screen, gets the excitement over without being emotional. The Dan Carter of commentators for me.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew Cotter excellent as ever. I thought Warburton and Gatland were good co-commentators too.
Knowledgeable, adds colour while sticking to what's happening on the screen, gets the excitement over without being emotional. The Dan Carter of commentators for me.
I was a bit surprised by him in the first 20 or so last night as he was coming across as a Welsh fan and seemed very negative on the ABs. He came right though.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
I suspect as it takes forever for the 9 to setup the box kick 4 defenders simply create a line and then jog slowly together towards their winger without changing their line effectively creating a screen. I have to say it was very effective and probably the best I have seen so far in negating the box kick battle.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
I suspect as it takes forever for the 9 to setup the box kick 4 defenders simply create a line and then jog slowly together towards their winger without changing their line effectively creating a screen. I have to say it was very effective and probably the best I have seen so far in negating the box kick battle.
No. From memory they have to hold the defensive line then sort of turn and converge on the approximate point of catch
In thr NRL that's an escort all day. Rugby rules are similar
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Despite the high number of points scored, it was far from a fast flowing game. How many times did B. Barrett, Reece, R. Ioane and Clarke got the ball in attacking situations ? The AB management had decided to win it with the forwards, which they did comfortably.
But conditions and outcomes changed the thinking. Despite the roof being closed in Cardiff, the heavy rain and relatively warm temperature created a degree of humidity inside the stadium and conditions were heavier and wetter than they may have appeared.slippery,” says Aaron Smith. “It was dewy and it was warm. Everyone was dripping wet after about five minutes. There were a few dropped balls early on so everyone had to adjust.
“We shortened up our passes and our forwards tightened up. At times we were really dominant, getting round the corner to win the collision area, deliver good cleanouts and we were breaking into the 22 a lot.”
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
We have a devastating runner in Clarke, and his only touches were loopy cut-outs with zero space
I thought he got heaps of ball on the inside channels?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
We have a devastating runner in Clarke, and his only touches were loopy cut-outs with zero space
I thought he got heaps of ball on the inside channels?
The post above yours says he had 4 runs, and I distinctly remember 2 of the loopy passes I mentioned that put him in zero space.
Not defending him, he was pretty average, but equally it wasn't a game for the wingers
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Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
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Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
Yup.
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Loosies, Paps and Belly Flop are a huge problem for the opposition. Still need to think a bit more about 6.
