All Blacks v England

nostrildamus

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks Vs England:

@MiketheSnow Dmac isn't in the ABs. He'll join the Baabaas this week.

With Foster obviously not trusting Perofeta, if Mo gets injured I'd be far more confident with DMac going to 10 than BB

You pick your best 23

End of

You tune changer you!

Definitely

Coming in to the Summer internationals I tipped BB to return to his best

At 10

He didn't and he hasn't

But with JB going to 12 and Jordan injured then BB is the best 15 available

is Zarn Sullivan injured?

pakman

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

@pakman said in All Blacks Vs England:

Ofa/Sami/Lomax/BBBR/Big Sam/Paps/Scooter/RD/Nugget/Richie/Jordie/Ioane (R)/CC/Telea/BB

Bench is where it gets interesting...

Taylor, Bower, Newell, Vaa'i, Frizell, Perenara, DMac, ALB

I'd say Codie/Newell/Vaa'i/TJP/ALB are givens.

De Groot/Bower tricky because latter very good Sunday.
Frizell/Akira is perennial Fern chewing bone.
Part of me would like to see Reece on bench, but injury considerations come into play.

nostrildamus

Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?

We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.

Bones

@pakman said in All Blacks Vs England:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

@pakman said in All Blacks Vs England:

Ofa/Sami/Lomax/BBBR/Big Sam/Paps/Scooter/RD/Nugget/Richie/Jordie/Ioane (R)/CC/Telea/BB

Bench is where it gets interesting...

Taylor, Bower, Newell, Vaa'i, Frizell, Perenara, DMac, ALB

I'd say Codie/Newell/Vaa'i/TJP/ALB are givens.

De Groot/Bower tricky because latter very good Sunday.
Frizell/Akira is perennial Fern chewing bone.
Part of me would like to see Reece on bench, but injury considerations come into play.

Bower is easily the best carrier out of the props IMO, so probably puts him ahead of EdG for a bench role, probably a stronger scrummager too.

You've gone quiet on Nepo fella

Bones

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England:

Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?

We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.

Yeah might have been nice if we got to see more of Faainganuku, instead of using him as the prototype for what will be knows as "doing a Perofeta".

nostrildamus

@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England:

Yeah might have been nice if we got to see more of Faainganuku, instead of using him as the prototype for what will be knows as "doing a Perofeta".

I'm sure he has workons, distribution or turning speed/agility, positioning, perhaps. But if they are not going to play Tana's fave Hurricanes nephew, I don't know who could do it (nb I thought Nankivell played well from what I saw yesterday but I guess he is more a 12 than a 13).

Bones

@nostrildamus Oh I was thinking of the wing to replace Clarke, no idea why after reading your post again.

nostrildamus

@Bones well if we follow the question you pretended I posed then yes I guess big Leicester is a power winger in a similar mode to Clarke. Not sure if he shores up that wing defensively though.

Bones

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England:

@Bones well if we follow the question you pretended I posed then yes I guess big Leicester is a power winger in a similar mode to Clarke. Not sure if he shores up that wing defensively though.

How did Bridge go for the Baabaas?

MiketheSnow

@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England:

@Bones well if we follow the question you pretended I posed then yes I guess big Leicester is a power winger in a similar mode to Clarke. Not sure if he shores up that wing defensively though.

How did Bridge go for the Baabaas?

Nothing flash

That would be a Bridge too far

Catogrande

@MiketheSnow

You get a pity vote.

nostrildamus

@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England:

@Bones well if we follow the question you pretended I posed then yes I guess big Leicester is a power winger in a similar mode to Clarke. Not sure if he shores up that wing defensively though.

How did Bridge go for the Baabaas?

Didn't know they had time for cards before the game.
Oh the player not known as DuPont...
From what I saw, safe enough, slow enough. Made one run straight into tacklers.
Otherwise quiet.

Bovidae

@pakman said in All Blacks Vs England:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

@pakman said in All Blacks Vs England:

Ofa/Sami/Lomax/BBBR/Big Sam/Paps/Scooter/RD/Nugget/Richie/Jordie/Ioane (R)/CC/Telea/BB

Bench is where it gets interesting...

Taylor, Bower, Newell, Vaa'i, Frizell, Perenara, DMac, ALB

I'd say Codie/Newell/Vaa'i/TJP/ALB are givens.

If they select S Barrett at 6 there will be two loose forwards on the bench. Likely Ioane and Frizell, but I wonder if Harmon gets a chance.

nostrildamus

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England:

That would be a Bridge too far

Can be disruptive when he gets going though, a spanner in the works.

cgrant

My team :

Ofa T
Sami
Lomax
SW
SB
Frizell
Dalton
RD
Smith
Mo'unga
Reece
JB
RI
Telea
BB

And a 6:2 split on the bench :
Codie
Bower
Newell
BBBR
AI
Harmon
TJP
ALB

Chris B.

1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Shannon Frizell; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Rieko Ioane; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Anton Lienert-Brown; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.

16.Big Sami; 17.Ofa Tu'ungafasi; 18. LFletcher Newell; 19.Scott Barrett; 20.Akira Ioane; 21.TJ Perenara; 22.David Havili; 23.Caleb Clarke.

ploughboy

@Chris-B wouldnt surprise me if that is the team

ACT Crusader

With Whitelock and Scooter you basically have 80 minute players. Scooter is a starter. He’s only come off the bench twice in the last two years and they were both last season and one of those was against the Argies when we started Patty T and Vaa’i.

Barrett has been replaced 4 times this year in the 74th, 72nd, 70th and 71st minute. They are not going to use Brodie for those sort of token minutes.

I’d be starting all three of them and that way you have options with two loosies off the bench - Ioane or Frizzel and one of Harmon or Hoskins.

Ardie is an 80 minute player too, but they have selected Hoskins on the bench when Ardie has been in the side. It’s just that he hasn’t replaced Ardie.

Bones

@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:

9.Aaaron Smith;

Why start with Taylor?

bayimports

picking the team are we? I am not expecting major changes and some people in positions we have seen before.. I am picking DH to miss out this week though. There is much love for Caleb in the selectors and although we have seen weaknesses they do appear to be persisting through it.

1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Scott Barrett; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Caleb Clarke; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Rieko Ioane; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.

16.Samisoni Taukei'aho; 17.George Bower; 18. Fletcher Newell; 19.Shannon Frizell;20. Hoskins Sotutu 21.TJ Perenara; 22.Anton Lienert-Brown; 23.Stephen Perofeta.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v England