All Blacks v England
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
the bench selection really is quite weird. There are at least two guys there who are old fashioned reserves.
Start up front, to bring the 6 on, in all likelihood it results in the blindside moving to lock.
If Sotutu comes on, it's probably for DP, which means Savea moves to 7In the backs:
If Mounga is having a stinker and you want to tow him, you have to move your 15 to 10, your 12 to 15, and bring on a midfielder.
If a winger goes down you have to move your centre.I absolutely fucking hate having to make 2 or more changes to swap one player. "Positionless" rugby has been tried a few times and it fucking doesn't work because rugby teams are about guys in certain positions doing certain jobs. And it's very very difficult, even for elite players, to swap roles mid-game, especially under the fatigue of a high-intensity test match.
My only quibbles in the run-on side is i would have started Sami T (but i can see the logic in bringing him in later) and i still believe we are turning our current form lock around the track into an adequate blindside.
I still think we'll win though, the above are minor quibbles. And just another case of "that's not how i would do it so you suck" which infests this place.
Orrrrrrr - DH is straight cover for 10 and 15....
(ducks for cover)
Maybe they're thinking JB goes to 10 and DH and ALB can stink up the midfield.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v England:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
the bench selection really is quite weird. There are at least two guys there who are old fashioned reserves.
Start up front, to bring the 6 on, in all likelihood it results in the blindside moving to lock.
If Sotutu comes on, it's probably for DP, which means Savea moves to 7In the backs:
If Mounga is having a stinker and you want to tow him, you have to move your 15 to 10, your 12 to 15, and bring on a midfielder.
If a winger goes down you have to move your centre.I absolutely fucking hate having to make 2 or more changes to swap one player. "Positionless" rugby has been tried a few times and it fucking doesn't work because rugby teams are about guys in certain positions doing certain jobs. And it's very very difficult, even for elite players, to swap roles mid-game, especially under the fatigue of a high-intensity test match.
My only quibbles in the run-on side is i would have started Sami T (but i can see the logic in bringing him in later) and i still believe we are turning our current form lock around the track into an adequate blindside.
I still think we'll win though, the above are minor quibbles. And just another case of "that's not how i would do it so you suck" which infests this place.
Orrrrrrr - DH is straight cover for 10 and 15....
(ducks for cover)
Maybe they're thinking JB goes to 10 and DH and ALB can stink up the midfield.
beautiful
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Getting closer.
Should be starting the best hooker. If you have to start a lock at 6, have the better impact player on the bench, and that's not the extremely average SF.
Best backline selections we have on form, genuinely surprised they stuck with Telea - good reward for playing well.
The bench is weird, would have Ofa over Nepo, swap the hookers, Akira over Frizzell, and Reece for Havilli.
But if you looking at the bench, things are going OK.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris yep would be happy to see a bolter come out, Ratima or someone have Super to make a mark I guessing.
It would have to come out of SR I would think.
Ratima springs to mind Roigard maybe I would like to see a real running threat selected to add a point of difference. -
I'm happy with the team. I'd prefer Reece on the bench to DH and Akira instead of Frizzel, but otherwise our top team is shaping as very strong now.
I can understand ST on the bench given Codie's return to form. ST is still relatively new, so gaining experience from the bench behind the veteran is a luxury - we didn't have that luxury recently as Codie wasn't in a good place mentally, but he's been fantastic on this tour so hoping he can wear them down before ST wrecks some havoc. That's a really powerful 1-2 punch with our Hookers.
I can also understand them persisting with Clarke. Reece and Telea are great finishers but are not players that are going to burst through a well organised defensive line the way Clarke can, he can be a real point of difference for us and while he's made errors, the positive impact he can have for us is massive. Reece, Telea and Jordan to a lesser degree (Jordan may end up at 15) are fighting for the same spot in the backline.
This is the most settled lineup we've had in quite a long time, absolutely can't wait for this one, hope it's a cracker (and by cracker I mean we stuff them by 50+).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
A reserve 9 who was launched out of the squad as yesterdays man and is now back in the squad.
Makes perfect sense to me. Fakatava getting injured reduced his options for the 3rd halfback role. Christie wasn't that flash last week & TJP grabbed his chance & did pretty well.
But hadn't Weber usurped him at some time this year? If I recall correctly?
Christie, Favakata & now TJP have usurped Weber
https://apnews.com/article/sports-europe-japan-new-zealand-2aa02bfabb33ee09ea24bda580ee7a3f
While what you are saying is right in real terms, my point is that when Fakatava got injured it was Weber who was the next cab off the rank.
Its Foster in a nutshell. Sowakula, Perofeta, Weber , Ennor, Tuipolutu, Jacobsen. Leicester
Some players do the Hokey Cokey in and out of squads.
It must kill their confidence.
@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
A reserve 9 who was launched out of the squad as yesterdays man and is now back in the squad.
Makes perfect sense to me. Fakatava getting injured reduced his options for the 3rd halfback role. Christie wasn't that flash last week & TJP grabbed his chance & did pretty well.
But hadn't Weber usurped him at some time this year? If I recall correctly?
Christie, Favakata & now TJP have usurped Weber
https://apnews.com/article/sports-europe-japan-new-zealand-2aa02bfabb33ee09ea24bda580ee7a3f
While what you are saying is right in real terms, my point is that when Fakatava got injured it was Weber who was the next cab off the rank.
Its Foster in a nutshell. Sowakula, Perofeta, Weber , Ennor, Tuipolutu, Jacobsen. Leicester
Some players do the Hokey Cokey in and out of squads.
It must kill their confidence.
There have always been players on the fringe that are in and out of squads regularly, that's always been the case and always will be
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v England:
Great that Telea has another shot, he certainly provides some x-factor, woulda liked to see Reece over Havili on the bench, because otherwise it looks like they will change the mid-field to bring both Havili and ALB on at some point, which seems wrong.
Still feel there is a real hope from the coaching team that all of Brodie, Sam & Scott will be fit and well for the next 12 months.
Delighted he is getting another chance, but for me he has no X factor. He just does everything right. He is 7.5 out of 10 at everything. The kiwi-mapimpi.
@Steve dunno, i think his strength in contact, balance, step all lend towards someone that can make something out of nothing.
Either way, good to see him there.
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Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
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Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
I agree, but I also don't mind them starting him at 6, he's a much better option than Frizzel for the role they are wanting our starting 6 to play. I just think we've got the wrong 6 on the bench, I'd have Akira coming on with a license to roam in the final 15 or so mins. One of Akira's key strengths is with ball in hand, but we rarely use it.
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Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
He went alright this year when playing 6. Under Ryan and Schmidt the forward pack appears to be playing much tighter and lots of carries close to the ruck etc. I think SB suits the current structure better than 2019. At worst we will add page 999 to this year's learnings.
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All I know is we now have a competitive forward pack. SW/BR/SB are all world class and it's worth another shot. We will know a lot more by half time tomorrow!
In the next 12 months, Paps has to stay 7, it's obvious.
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@MajorRage And RM at pivot and BB at fullback. 2019 revisited! Someone doesn't give up on "cunning plans" easily!
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage And RM at pivot and BB at fullback. 2019 revisited! Someone doesn't give up on "cunning plans" easily!
Different situation now. No one doubts RM has been given the job to steer the cutter, and with JB moving to 12 and Jordan out, BB is the best option at 15 right now
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Great way to finish the year. It's going to be miserable if we lose this.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
He went alright this year when playing 6. Under Ryan and Schmidt the forward pack appears to be playing much tighter and lots of carries close to the ruck etc. I think SB suits the current structure better than 2019. At worst we will add page 999 to this year's learnings.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
He went alright this year when playing 6.
The pack went very well in that first performance of the year against Ireland. Keen to see it in action again.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
He went alright this year when playing 6. Under Ryan and Schmidt the forward pack appears to be playing much tighter and lots of carries close to the ruck etc. I think SB suits the current structure better than 2019. At worst we will add page 999 to this year's learnings.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Scott fucking Barrett is a fucking lock, not a fucking sux.
We’ve been here before snd it didn’t work. Why are we doing it again?
Did I mention I’m going?
He went alright this year when playing 6. Under Ryan and Schmidt the forward pack appears to be playing much tighter and lots of carries close to the ruck etc. I think SB suits the current structure better than 2019. At worst we will add page 999 to this year's learnings.
Scooter is a vastly improved player over this year. Consistently makes the gain line more than most of our forwards, seems to have ironed out the brain farts too
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I have had a bad feeling before a lot of games this year.
Funny enough I don't have a bad feeling about this one. We have the best possible team out there, (ST excepted) and we are on the good side of the good/bad game rotation.
I think we flog them.
And then everyone forgets how diabolical this season was and has a good summer.
I add that I am glad this is the last game for the season. I am completely rugby'ed out. I need 4 months off.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v England:
Regardless of the team.
We owe these kunts a towelling.
Into them like rabid dogs.
I want to see kapa o pango. Exocet clean outs, and Nigel’s in their debenture seats crying into their Pimms and Diet Coke.
Let’s fucking have it.
Less exocet cleanouts. PSDT did one last week. Didn't work out too well.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Eddie Jones has beeen unusually quiet for him this week. What's up?
He might be trying his hand at coaching?
