All Blacks v England
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It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era. Personally I can’t wait to see the back of Foster who at this stage will end up with one of the worst winning percentages as an AB coach.
How the hell do you give up 3 tries in 8 minutes? By being mentally soft that’s how. Inconsistency is the name of the game for Fosters AB’s.
The saving grace is that barring Ireland/France all of the other test sides are also inconsistent. If the AB’s can get themselves to the semis of the RWC next year without major injuries and in current form then anything is possible in knockout stages.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era. Personally I can’t wait to see the back of Foster who at this stage will end up with one of the worst winning percentages as an AB coach.
How the hell do you give up 3 tries in 8 minutes? By being mentally soft that’s how. Inconsistency is the name of the game for Fosters AB’s.
The saving grace is that barring Ireland/France all of the other test sides are also inconsistent. If the AB’s can get themselves to the semis of the RWC next year without major injuries and in current form then anything is possible in knockout stages.
You can see some things have improved and others haven't. Last time I checked, the RWC is next year, so there is another year of domestic competition to go that may unearth some players to push out players no longer up to standard.
There is also another year for Ryan and Schmidt to implement their ideas. For the most part, the ABs defence was good against England when playing with 15. ABs just played poorly in last 10 mins.
Funnily enough, the game reminded me of the 2018 test when ABs scored 2 late tries to beat Boks having been battered for 65 mins. Boks had strangled England, but ABs escaped with the win. Boks went onto become world champions with tweaks as they learned from the loss of control in that match.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era. Personally I can’t wait to see the back of Foster who at this stage will end up with one of the worst winning percentages as an AB coach.
How the hell do you give up 3 tries in 8 minutes? By being mentally soft that’s how. Inconsistency is the name of the game for Fosters AB’s.
The saving grace is that barring Ireland/France all of the other test sides are also inconsistent. If the AB’s can get themselves to the semis of the RWC next year without major injuries and in current form then anything is possible in knockout stages.
You can see some things have improved and others haven't. Last time I checked, the RWC is next year, so there is another year of domestic competition to go that may unearth some players to push out players no longer up to standard.
There is also another year for Ryan and Schmidt to implement their ideas. For the most part, the ABs defence was good against England when playing with 15. ABs just played poorly in last 10 mins.
Funnily enough, the game reminded me of the 2018 test when ABs scored 2 late tries to beat Boks having been battered for 65 mins. Boks had strangled England, but ABs escaped with the win. Boks went onto become world champions with tweaks as they learned from the loss of control in that match.
I’m definitely not writing us off. If we can get into the semi finals then anything can happen. I just lament the fact we’re turning into the Wallabies, Boks and co being very ordinary in between RWC’s
with the promise that we could win it no matter poor we were in between. IMO that’s a fools gold and not the heritage of NZ rugby. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
That DG was simply rubbing it in.
I don't mind that in that situation
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I’m definitely not writing us off. If we can get into the semi finals then anything can happen. I just lament the fact we’re turning into the Wallabies, Boks and co being very ordinary in between RWC’s
with the promise that we could win it no matter poor we were in between. IMO that’s a fools gold and not the heritage of NZ rugby.@TheMojoman
Only until Razor's glorious 12 year dynasty of 90% test wins begins.... -
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.@Wairau said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.That's what I actually thought we were going to do, some sensible stuff. Then I saw BB set for the DG.....
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.That's what I actually thought we were going to do, some sensible stuff. Then I saw BB set for the DG.....
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks v England:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.That's what I actually thought we were going to do, some sensible stuff. Then I saw BB set for the DG.....
Practicing for the RWC, like DC did
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
I'm happy to point out the positive
What's the positive?
WiFainga’anukuth Clarke? His work under the high ball, breaks he's been making, work in close getting over the advantage line. Just off the top of my head.
Workons? Tackling/defence in general, link play, staying on his feet in general.
There is a lot to like about Clarke and I simply don’t see another power winger ready to take his place. Faingaanuku? Nope, if anything has underwhelmed to the point he was leap frogged by Mark Telea.
Clarke stays and needs to continue to improve.
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I am sorry but to choke like that after a year like this to me anyway means we have made no major improvement. We drew a match after being 25 -6 up with 10 minutes left. Fucking disgraceful. !!!
@mencey forwards improved backs still scatterbrained.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
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The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
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The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks v England:
The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
I didn't even get that angry, it was completely unsurprising.
Pretty bizarre that to beat the All Blacks all you have to is sling it wide, multiple teams this year have made easy metres just attacking that way. Surely we need a new defence coach.
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It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era. Personally I can’t wait to see the back of Foster who at this stage will end up with one of the worst winning percentages as an AB coach.
How the hell do you give up 3 tries in 8 minutes? By being mentally soft that’s how. Inconsistency is the name of the game for Fosters AB’s.
The saving grace is that barring Ireland/France all of the other test sides are also inconsistent. If the AB’s can get themselves to the semis of the RWC next year without major injuries and in current form then anything is possible in knockout stages.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.
??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
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Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Yeah - when we're 16 points up with 10 to play I don't want our senior players wetting their pants about a three-try comeback. That should have been another un-needed nail in the coffin and we should be talking about how good it is that BB took the opportunity to get in some dropgoal practice in a big game.
Maybe it will yet serve us in good stead next year.
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Beauden is accumulating those yellow cards. He's got Read in his sights.
Beauden Barrett’s yellow card was the fourth of his test career (against Australia in Sydney in 2014, against Argentina in New Plymouth in 2017 and against South Africa in Johannesburg this year being the others).
That now has him equal with current captain Sam Whitelock, with the duo one short of former skipper Kieran Read, whose five trips to the sin bin are the most by any All Black in test matches.
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.That's what I actually thought we were going to do, some sensible stuff. Then I saw BB set for the DG.....
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks v England:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan Now?
Pack down a scrum, waste 5 minutes, keep England in their 22 and win the match, or take a stupid DG. Mistake by BB.That's what I actually thought we were going to do, some sensible stuff. Then I saw BB set for the DG.....
To be fair to BB he probably didn’t have a crystal ball telling him he would be sent off in the next minute. 25-6 should have been a winning margin for a good team
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@TheMojoman Stevenson or Lam?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman Stevenson or Lam?
I'd love to see Stevenson in the mix but IMO he would be competing for the 14 spot with Jordan, Telea and Reece potentially as 15 cover. Lam is a maybe, not sure he has the same impact as Clarke though as a power winger.
Foster (rightly IMO) clearly wants to play a power winger/finesse winger combination with his 14 also an extra FB with kicking etc. Leads me to believe Jordan will be the first choice 14 when fit. Telea has been the find of the northern tour.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.
??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
