All Blacks v England
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@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
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Not saying improvements aren't needed but before Schmidt, the try do anything from everywhere approach that was in place before he came along was a complete failure, we couldn't even maintain our own ball. We were not able to consistently even score tries from lineout drives.. which we can now.
It does appear that the limited game plan revolves around an improved forward play and a 10 that can steer us around the park.. and sometimes that works, but with an inconsistent 10 that doesn't help either.
I loved that try from the kick pass against England to put Reiko away (although I don't know how many failed kick passes I have seen this year), but the set piece try from the lineout against Japan was pretty spectacular. Would love to see more of that
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
Just loudly, attack under Foster hasn't been that wonderful for any stretch either.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
Just loudly, attack under Foster hasn't been that wonderful for any stretch either.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
Just loudly, attack under Foster hasn't been that wonderful for any stretch either.
Even more loudly...our attack has pretty much sucked from 2018....
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
i was yelling at abs to kick just not that kick
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Frank said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
Yeah, Mo'unga has probably been the biggest disappointment, not because he's been absolutely dreadful, but because the cupboard is bare so we really needed him to step up, but he's just as flaky now as he was when he first came into the ABs. I think we should have a good look at DMac next year, he's really matured as a player and as all of the skills to do very well in the position.
It was criminal to give Perofeta so little gametime in black this year.
Beauden is definitely not the answer at 10 either. (I notice you've given up flogging that horse)
Both have been given untold chances to improve their game management and both have failed in this aspect.Totally agree DMac should be seriously looked at.
It'll be harder for Perofeta because BB will probably play at 10 for the Blues next year.I think both could be OK but they seem totally incapable of toning down the low percentage nonsense at the worst possible times. Hate to compare, but Kwade actually became a decent test 10 when he stopped acting the fancy tool and focussed on his core tasks.
Obviously I've been a massive BB fanboi but you can't sugar-coat shjt anymore. Not sure wtf happened to him. Those effing kicks 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. He's not a patch on what he was in 2016. I am deeply saddened by this. However, if he gets his shit together he should be 15 or at least the bench.
How much of their play is them and how much is the pattern they are being asked to play? If its pattern that's on the coaches
Pattern and tactics are one thing but I'm pretty sure Foster isn't instructing them to play like headless chickens and to kick like shjt.
@Rancid-Schnitzel You would hope so but they are not changing so maybe in the love affair between Fozzie and players maybe they don't like confrontation.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
England probably only started moving the ball wide because we were a man down , I wonder if they are thinking, why didn’t we try that earlier ?
Coincidental I reckon. It’s been a general thing that when England are plying poorly and all is lost, they start playing some rugby when it is too late, leaving everyone scratching their heads asking why they didn’t do that before.
@Catogrande In classic fern fashion they are keeping the powder dry.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
2007 RWC has entered the chat.
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I liked the fake box kicks to manipulate opposition positioning and the deception on who was getting the ball in the backline.
It wasn’t that long ago where our attack structure was just a pop of forwards who might or might try a pop pass under pressure.
Seeing signs of improvement, but as was mentioned above if needs a reliable ten that can do more than just step. Certainly not RM, huge problem that might only be solved by trying the next cap off the rank.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
If giving away possession to avoid penalties make sure it is down inside the opposition 22, or get the bloke with the biggest boot to attempt the 50:22
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The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
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The groan from the crowd and Stuart's face and subsequent apology to the ABs was very telling.
I hope England find themselves in a similar situation during the World Cup and balls it up royally because they didn't back themselves here.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
Rhodesia has entered the chat
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
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Never lost a Test to Rhodesia
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
2007 RWC has entered the chat.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
2007 RWC has entered the chat.
I was indeed saddened by how France played. Although they picked up nicely to tinny forward passes.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
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Never lost a Test to Rhodesia
@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year
Rhodesia has entered the chat
Never lost a Test to Rhodesia
And here I was not mentioning tests.
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Two red card offences from Genge that were missed.
One an assist tackle on Whitelock. No arms, head on head contact, with force.
The other a cleanout on Papali'i. Again head on head contact, no binding, with force.This has got to be my biggest gripe with the game right now. It's an absolute lottery with who gets these calls and who doesn't. Outcome altering decisions that are completely at the whim of the ref or TMO.
