Parenting
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Is he getting paid 60K for this shit? I'm assuming it's a part-time gig...
$26.60 an hour. Not bad for a kid with no responsibilities. But fucking hell relax you dickheads!
If he checked the ID of the person buying the alcohol, and the minor was outside the store, then the customer will get the fine anyway for supplying.
That's IF anybody bothers to charge them i.e. the little underage shit gets busted by his parents IF his parents even care.
On top of all that, the mother in law (trapped n get Ian body with dementia) tested positive for Covid today.
Yay life
Those laws are insanely stupid.
My 70 yr old mother couldn’t buy a bottle of wine as my 38 year old wife was with her and didn’t have ID.
It literally prevents nothing.
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@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Is he getting paid 60K for this shit? I'm assuming it's a part-time gig...
$26.60 an hour. Not bad for a kid with no responsibilities. But fucking hell relax you dickheads!
If he checked the ID of the person buying the alcohol, and the minor was outside the store, then the customer will get the fine anyway for supplying.
That's IF anybody bothers to charge them i.e. the little underage shit gets busted by his parents IF his parents even care.
On top of all that, the mother in law (trapped n get Ian body with dementia) tested positive for Covid today.
Yay life
Those laws are insanely stupid.
My 70 yr old mother couldn’t buy a bottle of wine as my 38 year old wife was with her and didn’t have ID.
It literally prevents nothing.
@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Is he getting paid 60K for this shit? I'm assuming it's a part-time gig...
$26.60 an hour. Not bad for a kid with no responsibilities. But fucking hell relax you dickheads!
If he checked the ID of the person buying the alcohol, and the minor was outside the store, then the customer will get the fine anyway for supplying.
That's IF anybody bothers to charge them i.e. the little underage shit gets busted by his parents IF his parents even care.
On top of all that, the mother in law (trapped n get Ian body with dementia) tested positive for Covid today.
Yay life
Those laws are insanely stupid.
My 70 yr old mother couldn’t buy a bottle of wine as my 38 year old wife was with her and didn’t have ID.
It literally prevents nothing.
Good way of slipping in a quiet boast about marrying a girl 15 years younger. Good skills mate.
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@Catogrande oh to be that young.
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@NTA yeah TR jnr is on $23 or so working checkouts at the supermarket and as a 16 year old he was given the responsibility of checking IDs for alcohol...but the ultimate responsibility is on the shift supervisor.
On TR, officially left school 3 weeks ago...now just bumming around living the life, isn't picking up extra shifts cos it would interfere with his social life.
Fortunately he has been meeting with a careers advisor who has some options for him, although coming into Xmas...
He is also seeing the careers advisors well-being person, who I know, although TR Jnr only met him in their workplace.
Some of the things he has seen and briefly mentions breaks your heart, he reckons teens of today do deal with things differently and covid has also changed the playing field.
TR jnr is a little fucker at the moment,and screentime, phone more so than gaming at moment is an issue...but he's 17, what do you do.
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@taniwharugby said in Parenting:
@NTA yeah TR jnr is on $23 or so working checkouts at the supermarket and as a 16 year old he was given the responsibility of checking IDs for alcohol...but the ultimate responsibility is on the shift supervisor
Has to be as he's not an adult? Do they have RSA over there in the same way?
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@taniwharugby said in Parenting:
@NTA yeah TR jnr is on $23 or so working checkouts at the supermarket and as a 16 year old he was given the responsibility of checking IDs for alcohol...but the ultimate responsibility is on the shift supervisor
Has to be as he's not an adult? Do they have RSA over there in the same way?
In NZ RSA is the RSL ... I used to/still get confused when talking RSA (Responsible Service of Alcohol accreditation for the uninitiated).
Don't recall it specifically, but I left NZ 18 years ago, pretty certain they'd have similar/equivalent though.
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I'm still very much in the toddler stage with the boys, waiting for them to grow up a bit more so they don't think picking up the vacuum cleaner and whacking the TV with it is a good idea. You guys probably yearn for the days when the problems were so simple
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@NTA for me it's more that a kid that can't buy alcohol is required to ID check people for it...but your normal checkout operators aren't able to, they have to call someone who is approved to sell and therefore ID check.
He has pulled up shoplifters before, that I didn't think he had in him.
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@taniwharugby said in Parenting:
@NTA for me it's more that a kid that can't buy alcohol is required to ID check people for it...but your normal checkout operators aren't able to, they have to call someone who is approved to sell and therefore ID check.
Because of our liquor licensing setup, we can't sell alcohol in supermarkets.
Everyone who works in a bottle shop needs to have Responsible Service of Alcohol (RSA) qualifications as a result, and while you can get RSA underage (16+), it sometimes isn't worth the hassle for employers.
Will be interesting to see if he's up for his shift today given they've talked about a "discussion" on Tuesday with the Manager. His weekday manager is nice and encouraging but it is clear that whatever took place last night, whoever handled it, has scared the shit out of him and shot his confidence.
It is a shame as the company he works for was until recently part of my corporation so while I'm tempted to go in there and swing the Head Office badge, I'd rather just do it as a concerned Dad who thinks maybe they need to tweak their culture a bit.
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Dropped him off at work today, and had a quick word with the manager on duty, who happened to be the guy on last night. Not much older than The Boy.... looked like a fairly anxious chap himself.
I basically just wanted to let him know The Boy was in a fair bit of distress last night and Manager Guy was actually pretty understanding, having been through it himself. Mentioned that the comms had come over the earpiece multiple times, and that it was a mistake but they follow that procedure in order to make sure they've got as much coverage as possible.
I have a reasonable amount of sympathy for that - big retailer, reputational damage blah blah blah. He also could see The Boy was stressed out and reassured him it was nothing to worry about last night, and probably will again today.
He said there's nothing to worry about, and that he had three "First and Final Warnings", which made me smile and mention "Final" was being made a mockery of.
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Will be interesting to see if he's up for his shift today given they've talked about a "discussion" on Tuesday with the Manager. His weekday manager is nice and encouraging but it is clear that whatever took place last night, whoever handled it, has scared the shit out of him and shot his confidence.
So they had to read back the RSA potential penalties to him at the discussion, and he's freaking out about jail and fines etc.
Hard to get through to an 18yo kid that in his first job that it's just standard protocol and they're unlikely to act on it in any meaningful way.
Plus they just sent through 9 shifts for the next fortnight so they can't be ready to shitcan him just yet.
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Will be interesting to see if he's up for his shift today given they've talked about a "discussion" on Tuesday with the Manager. His weekday manager is nice and encouraging but it is clear that whatever took place last night, whoever handled it, has scared the shit out of him and shot his confidence.
So they had to read back the RSA potential penalties to him at the discussion, and he's freaking out about jail and fines etc.
Hard to get through to an 18yo kid that in his first job that it's just standard protocol and they're unlikely to act on it in any meaningful way.
Plus they just sent through 9 shifts for the next fortnight so they can't be ready to shitcan him just yet.
A little fear isn't a bad thing. As long as he doesn't take it too hard
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I'm a little confused given the person purchasing had shown proof of age. Or am I reading that wrong?
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@antipodean said in Parenting:
I'm a little confused given the person purchasing had shown proof of age. Or am I reading that wrong?
You're reading that right.
Two people enter store. Person 1 buys the alcohol while Person 2 is nowhere to be seen but apparently had left just the store.
Store's opinion: The Boy should have asked for ID from Person 2 per the instructions coming over his headset - who keep in mind was not there when purchase happened - or refuse service to Person 1.
My opinion: Person 1 is guilty of secondary supply IF it even happened.
EDIT: lot of "ifs" there: "if" the kid gets caught with booze and "if" he gives up his mate who bought it and "if" he gives up the store who sold it and "if" there is even a case for the store to be culpable and "if" the store lets the 18yo take the fall after everyone else said over comms that they wanted an ID check and did nothing about it themselves. That's also if the parents/cops even give a shit.
Problem is: Dan Murphy's so as the big hoss in town they're a target for reputational damage.
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@antipodean @canefan e.g. some of the comments from the same store on Google Maps - which has a lot of 5 star reviews because booze and Aussies, but also these gems:
1 star
"Awful customer assistance interrogated my girlfriend everytime she so much as breathed told her not to "look at the alcohol" because she forgot her ID, even though her Mother was there the whole time and said she would supervise the experience. She was asked for ID 6 seperate times."1 star
"Got ID'd twice then to had to go get my girlfriend out of the car to get ID'd aswell and also followed around store. Rude staff and overall a bad experience" -
@antipodean said in Parenting:
I'm a little confused given the person purchasing had shown proof of age. Or am I reading that wrong?
You're reading that right.
Two people enter store. Person 1 buys the alcohol while Person 2 is nowhere to be seen but apparently had left just the store.
Store's opinion: The Boy should have asked for ID from Person 2 per the instructions coming over his headset - who keep in mind was not there when purchase happened - or refuse service to Person 1.
My opinion: Person 1 is guilty of secondary supply IF it even happened.
EDIT: lot of "ifs" there: "if" the kid gets caught with booze and "if" he gives up his mate who bought it and "if" he gives up the store who sold it and "if" there is even a case for the store to be culpable and "if" the store lets the 18yo take the fall after everyone else said over comms that they wanted an ID check and did nothing about it themselves. That's also if the parents/cops even give a shit.
Problem is: Dan Murphy's so as the big hoss in town they're a target for reputational damage.
The idiocy of the management is neatly explained by coming up with realistic hypotheticals; namely are you refusing me a product I'm legally permitted to purchase because I didn't leave someone out of sight who can't?
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@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Is he getting paid 60K for this shit? I'm assuming it's a part-time gig...
$26.60 an hour. Not bad for a kid with no responsibilities. But fucking hell relax you dickheads!
If he checked the ID of the person buying the alcohol, and the minor was outside the store, then the customer will get the fine anyway for supplying.
That's IF anybody bothers to charge them i.e. the little underage shit gets busted by his parents IF his parents even care.
On top of all that, the mother in law (trapped n get Ian body with dementia) tested positive for Covid today.
Yay life
Those laws are insanely stupid.
My 70 yr old mother couldn’t buy a bottle of wine as my 38 year old wife was with her and didn’t have ID.
It literally prevents nothing.
I got ID'd in Exeter when buying a whole lot of shopping including booze, was with the gf at the time and my 14yo nephew. After she checked my ID she asked for my nephew's. I told her he's not buying it and if it's a problem he can go wait in the car. Weird, she just carried on after that - I think she was maybe thrown by the rozz being at the next checkout.
Just bizarre though, they'd have a whole world of problems if that's their rules come family shopping on a Sunday. Is your toddler 18?
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Just bizarre though, they'd have a whole world of problems if that's their rules come family shopping on a Sunday. Is your toddler 18?
And it gets more stupid - https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/crime/drugs_and_alcohol/alcohol/alcohol_pages/alcohol_and_young_people
Only a parent or guardian (or a person authorised by the parent or guardian) may supply alcohol to a minor at an unlicensed premises (including a family home), however the supply must be consistent with the responsible supervision of the minor.So, for example, when my then-17yo son attended a friend's 21st last year, when dropping him off I informed the parents of the house that he was fine to have a couple of drinks. Perfectly acceptable.
Here are the conditions:
In relation to the responsible supervision of a minor the following matters are considered: the age of the minor whether the person supplying the alcohol is intoxicated whether the minor is consuming the liquor with food whether the minors consumption of liquor is being responsibly supervised by the person supplying the liquor the quantity of liquor and the period of time over which it is supplied The supply of alcohol to a child who is intoxicated is not, in any circumstance, consistent with the responsible supervision of a minor. Significant fines apply. A $1,100 on-the-spot penalty can be issued or the courts can impose fines of up to $11,000 and/or 12 months imprisonment.Therefore, not only can I load up my trolley with as much piss as I want, I can tell everyone in the store that my underage daughter will be drinking a responsible quantity of it, and they can refuse me service under their guidelines, but not the Law.
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Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:
Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?
Haven’t read the rest of this thread but sounds like the boy dodged a massive bullet there pal !
