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  • CyclopsC Offline
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    This test is an interesting case study for batting on a road. With a traditional first innings this match is a draw with the English openers scratching around after tea on day 5 waiting for the captains to agree a draw.

    The risk is than you got bowled out cheaply and then have to bat with a bug deficit and massive pressure in the second innings, but if the pitch is a road that you trust to hold up for all five days then going hell for leather on day one is actually a pretty decent tactical innovation. Either you're bowled out for 300 odd and back yourself to get out of the hole when you bet again or you do what the poms did and basically make two days progress in a day.

    It's all a bit academic though since this is a rubbish pitch that (thankfully) isn't the norm anymore so building tactics around it are relatively pointless. And if you try it on a proper pitch you'll get cooked. As a novelty test I'm actually finding it kind of fun but if it becomes the norm I'll lose interest.

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    Lots of runs in the first innings - check
    A number of centuries - check
    A 6fer - check
    Test lasts 5 days - check
    Both teams can still win - check

    What’s not to like?

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    The England declaration looks brave now, Pakistan hitting out. Going to be a tasty finish ... plenty of drama to come I suspect

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    Jesus Christ. Geoffrey Boycott is turning in his grave at how this test is going.

    Is Liam Livingstone a specialist number eight batsman ?

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    Injured and possibly already on the plane home.

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    @nzzp said in England v Pakistan:

    The England declaration looks brave now, Pakistan hitting out. Going to be a tasty finish ... plenty of drama to come I suspect

    I felt the declaration was a bit too aggressive and gave Pakistan too much time on this track. We’re now in the likely position of losing a game where we’ve scored over 900 runs and one that we’ve pretty much been in control of from the word go.

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    @Catogrande 343 is a decent target.

    That said, Pakistan scored at 3.7 in the first innings... so going at 3 or so isn't ridiculous. Also, the wicket doesn't seem to be really acting up.

    But yeah, 110 overs (light aside) is plenty to bowl out a isde.

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    @nzzp

    My thought was that giving them 110 overs on this track meant that they really didn’t have to push too hard to be in with a chance plus having the option to shut up shop if they do lose a few.

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    @MN5 said in England v Pakistan:

    Geoffrey Boycott is turning in his grave at how this test is going.

    Neat trick

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    @Catogrande fair. I actually read waht you said now - I agree, brave and aggressive declaration. Fair play to Stokes, though, live by the sword, die by the sword. They are staying aggressive with the field, and runs are coming. Feels like a couple of wickets though,a nd the game could be close to over.

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    @nzzp said in England v Pakistan:

    @Catogrande fair. I actually read waht you said now - I agree, brave and aggressive declaration. Fair play to Stokes, though, live by the sword, die by the sword. They are staying aggressive with the field, and runs are coming. Feels like a couple of wickets though,a nd the game could be close to over.

    I would have liked another 5 overs or so. A few more runs for us and a few less overs for them but still leaving all three results a possibility. I think they got a bit too bound up in the psychology of declaring at the last minute during the tea interval.

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    Here we go. Final session. 86 runs needed by Pakistan. 5 wickets for England

    Win, loss, draw and even tie are all on.

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    Big wicket. Ollie gets Salman, who was looking rock solid.

    4 wickets to go. 85 runs to win

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    It’s pace here on out for the Poms. The spin simply wasn’t getting it done.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in England v Pakistan:

    It’s pace here on out for the Poms. The spin simply wasn’t getting it done.

    28 overs left and tail to bowl to. Poms will get it done.

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    A very very good win for England. An aggressive batting approach and declaration. Pakistan batted pretty damn well in both innings all things considered. Ollie bowled brilliantly.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in England v Pakistan:

    Here we go. Final session. 86 runs needed by Pakistan. 5 wickets for England

    Win, loss, draw and even tie are all on.

    great setup - pity Pakistan Pakistanned and fell in a heap.

    Well done England. Pace was the answer all day

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    England rollicking along.

    Fascinating call though - Dar gave English batsman out on the field - but the bat hit the ground a tthe same time the ball hit the pad. He was really not convinced - asked the TMO to go back and check again.

    Genuinely ambiguous - but if given out on the field, how do you overturn?

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    Abrar gets the first 5 wickets on the first day of his first ever test match.

    England going at 5.5 rpo with 167 in the first session

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