The Current State of Rugby
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Nice. Well the bloke certainly did pretty well for himself. Best name in the league too.
@Margin_Walker said in The Current State of Rugby:
Nice. Well the bloke certainly did pretty well for himself. Best name in the league too.
He's come a long way from a club level loosehead and part time number 8.
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@Bones No but being of vast Irish DNA (62.5% and counting!) and having to have a team to follow in the Premiership it is an obvious choice. Having said that Riki Flutey is part of my precious niece's group of friends from her school days and she reports that his time spent there was very enjoyable and that they really took real care of their players during his time there in the mid 2000s so that's even more reason to have them as my team. Shame about their current financial situation though!
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Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
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Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
I get where you are coming from and I would agree completely if players weren't punished for reacting to this sort of shit. But, if you punish players for reacting, you have to 'protect' them in some way and punishing the antagonizer is one way of doing it.
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Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
I get where you are coming from and I would agree completely if players weren't punished for reacting to this sort of shit. But, if you punish players for reacting, you have to 'protect' them in some way and punishing the antagonizer is one way of doing it.
@Crazy-Horse Darcy Swain was unfairly punished for a head nudge. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
All though I totally agree with you, what Joe said was pretty fucked up... I'm mean if someone called my mum a whore, I would totally punch them as well. Especially if they're in hospital with cancer.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
All though I totally agree with you, what Joe said was pretty fucked up... I'm mean if someone called my mum a whore, I would totally punch them as well. Especially if they're in hospital with cancer.
@Mackerzzzz said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
Fucking hell. I've seen people do actual bad shit and get nothing. Then this. People say Marler needs to grow up, maybe Heenan does too if sledging winds him up. Get over yourself rugby.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-marler-banned-for-wholly-inappropriate-comment/
All though I totally agree with you, what Joe said was pretty fucked up... I'm mean if someone called my mum a whore, I would totally punch them as well. Especially if they're in hospital with cancer.
I have never understood why people get so angry at slurs against their mother by people who don't know their mother from a bar of soap.
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Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
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One of my favourite slurs I've ever heard... I went to a soccer match at the Maracana... and a massive section of the crowd were singing/chanting something. I'd gone with a local, and eventually managed to convince him to translate it for me.
They were chanting at one particular player, something like....Your mother is a whore, and she is ashamed of you
Fucking brilliant.
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I don’t think his integrity is in question but his competence should be. That all sounded like a cop out on decision making to me. The old ‘my hands are tied , I have to penalise you’ bullshit.
Avoiding having to make judgment on the field on something that was pretty obvious. -
Marler's a grub
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@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges, I actually also heard Zinzan laughing he never heard most of Fitzie's sledges (and Norm Hewitt says he always just called him a useless black c***) when he used to go at it. I just think the whole thing is getting blown out of proportion myself, pretty classless by Marler, but I doubt whether it's the only thing that is said on field.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges, I actually also heard Zinzan laughing he never heard most of Fitzie's sledges (and Norm Hewitt says he always just called him a useless black c***) when he used to go at it. I just think the whole thing is getting blown out of proportion myself, pretty classless by Marler, but I doubt whether it's the only thing that is said on field.
@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges,
If Heenan and other players can hear it, Dickson would've and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
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@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Machpants said in The Current State of Rugby:
Pretty shitty from mailer, and when your mum's in hospital with cancer, I get it.
Jake Heenan: ‘Hey, brother, you’re better than that, hey?’
Joe Marler: ‘I’m not your brother. I’m clearly not your brother am I.’
Heenan: ‘You’re better than that mate’
Marler: ‘There’s no way I’m from the same mother as you. Your mother is a ****ing whore.
[players were audibly taken aback by comments. Heenan says something to the referee Karl Dickson about what Marler which sounds like ‘He said my mum was a whore to my face’]
Marler [again]: ‘Your mother’s a whore’
At this point the scuffle breaks out with some inaudible exchanges.
Referee Karl Dickson: ‘Who stared that?’
Max Lahiff: ‘Marler called his mother a whore’.
Players continue to clash.
Heenan: ‘My mum’s in hospital with cancer’
Referee Dickson: ‘Alex just take him back. Take him back. I know there was an allegation of what was said. I actually didn’t hear what was said. If it was really clear on the comms afterwards, it will be dealt with’.
Dickson's integrity should be questioned here. How could he not have heard it when he's right beside the scrum?
I think thats a bit rough, hell when I was locking a scrum I didn't a;ways hear sledges, and Dickson also got an ear piece in. I doubt he was listening for sledges,
If Heenan and other players can hear it, Dickson would've and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
@antipodean Yep mate, well I knew a couple of refs who told me they heard almost nothing when they reffed, one of them was one who did prem/senior games, and said he had ear piece in so he could hear ARs etc, and just blocked out almost all other stuff, it was in discussion about crowd abuse etc. You could be right, but I don't he had any reason to lie.
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@antipodean Yep mate, well I knew a couple of refs who told me they heard almost nothing when they reffed, one of them was one who did prem/senior games, and said he had ear piece in so he could hear ARs etc, and just blocked out almost all other stuff, it was in discussion about crowd abuse etc. You could be right, but I don't he had any reason to lie.
@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean Yep mate, well I knew a couple of refs who told me they heard almost nothing when they reffed, one of them was one who did prem/senior games, and said he had ear piece in so he could hear ARs etc, and just blocked out almost all other stuff, it was in discussion about crowd abuse etc. You could be right, but I don't he had any reason to lie.
I can understand that. At the top level you’d have to shut out a lot to be concentrating on what was happening and calculating happenings against laws. Eg running through thought processes.
The main reason refs tell players to shut up isn’t because of what they’re saying but because of the distraction form thinking clearly.
