NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 We've yet to assess his bowling.
He needs five runs to exceed his batting vs SA!
Henry with his Action is more likely to get any reverse swing,where Wags was average last test he looks a bit under cooked.
Worth a punt it has already paid off with the bat.Yeah - I think that as well.
Wags had an anonymous test and Matt has a bit more pace and might get some reverse swing.
I thought that was the most likely change given my suspicion that Bracewell is a slightly more effective spinner than Phillips and that's what they're picking on.
Is Bracewell more effective I don’t think he is.
He does nothing in tests too short or full and can not settle on a length.
Phillios actually gives the ball a real rip he just doesn’t get the overs he should,
Bracewell is just not a test quality off spinner he has no real variation just the offie.
No carrom ball ,no top spinner and no Doosra@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
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Henry is bowling really well hitting a great length, he looks likely at good pace.
9 overs 1/24 pretty good on this deck.@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
Henry is bowling really well hitting a great length, he looks likely at good pace.
9 overs 1/24 pretty good on this deck.He's looking likely. Nice that we have stalled their run rate big time. Wow what a bouncer. Shakeel walked down the pitch as Henry ran up and almost got decapitated
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@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun. -
@canefan said in NZ v Pakistan:
What did Ravindra do wrong to get sent into the wilderness?
Not much - and you can read that a couple of ways.
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@canefan said in NZ v Pakistan:
What did Ravindra do wrong to get sent into the wilderness?
Not much - and you can read that a couple of ways.
He did save a test in India. Was less effective in a home series IIRC.
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
I can’t disagree but what I was saying for what they had in their squad over there, I would have given Phillips a run you will not lose much in the bowling but pick up a lot in the field and with the bat.
As a long term option spinner probably not . -
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
I can’t disagree but what I was saying for what they had in their squad over there, I would have given Phillips a run you will not lose much in the bowling but pick up a lot in the field and with the bat.
As a long term option spinner probably not . -
@Chris Nor me.
They are what they are.
Our whole bowling attack is pretty vanilla on this tour.
If we'd taken this team to Oz we'd get massacred with this bowling.
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Nor me.
They are what they are.
Our whole bowling attack is pretty vanilla on this tour.
If we'd taken this team to Oz we'd get massacred with this bowling.
Yep I see heaps of better spinners I coach in the QLd underage rep system and see them at nationals from other states than our test spinners
And quicks everywhere the talent pool is miles and miles apart. -
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@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
Good score in the end, but not a match defining one.
Be interesting to see how our quicks go.
It is match defining as in we are set up for a win or draw. The loss option is currently off the table.
It could come back but odds are in our favour.It doesn't take a loss out at all.
What if Pakistan score say 625 and end up 175 runs ahead? From that position we would need to bat well in the third innings to hold on.
A match defining innings is 550+ I reckon. Very hard to lose if you score 550.
As I said “currently off the table “. If it takes a huge rare score to come back into calculations then odds are we are safe.
From a quick look a team getting 449 plus in first innings has only been beaten 15 times in test history.Sure. But rare is relative.
My scenario is virtually exactly what happened in the last test between the same countries on the same ground less than a week earlier.
I guess you are right, but another 75-100 would make me feel a bit more confident in rubbing out a loss.
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
Good score in the end, but not a match defining one.
Be interesting to see how our quicks go.
It is match defining as in we are set up for a win or draw. The loss option is currently off the table.
It could come back but odds are in our favour.It doesn't take a loss out at all.
What if Pakistan score say 625 and end up 175 runs ahead? From that position we would need to bat well in the third innings to hold on.
A match defining innings is 550+ I reckon. Very hard to lose if you score 550.
As I said “currently off the table “. If it takes a huge rare score to come back into calculations then odds are we are safe.
From a quick look a team getting 449 plus in first innings has only been beaten 15 times in test history.Sure. But rare is relative.
My scenario is virtually exactly what happened in the last test between the same countries on the same ground less than a week earlier.
I guess you are right, but another 75-100 would make me feel a bit more confident in rubbing out a loss.
Sheesh bro, you don’t ask for much…
I think it was a very good score under the circumstances. Did you not see how Tommy went out? That ball hardly went above ankle height. There was variable bounce and we still got to 449, so 4-140+ in a session and a bit was good to see.
I’m hopeful but not confident with our bowlers though.
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Geez isn't test cricket so bloody good? Man gets out of bed reaching for PC to check how it ended last night.
Big ups to Hanry and Patel, there's something to behold when the tip of the tail wags like that!@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
Geez isn't test cricket so bloody good? Man gets out of bed reaching for PC to check how it ended last night.
Big ups to Hanry and Patel, there's something to behold when the tip of the tail wags like that!It was terrific to watch ( on the match tracker )
Still some way off the record for the last wicket though !
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283526.html
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
Geez isn't test cricket so bloody good? Man gets out of bed reaching for PC to check how it ended last night.
Big ups to Hanry and Patel, there's something to behold when the tip of the tail wags like that!It was terrific to watch ( on the match tracker )
Still some way off the record for the last wicket though !
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283526.html
@MN5 Pleasing to be reminded that the stereotypical old style number 11 bunny Danny Morrison is there with an unbeaten 106 run partnership with Nathan Astle. He was not in the queue when batting talent was handed out but by god did he value his wicket dearly. Also interesting to note another tenth wicket partnership (118 runs) involving Nathan Astle once again and Chris Cairns. Presumably one of them must have been carrying an injury and reverted to being last drop?
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@MN5 Pleasing to be reminded that the stereotypical old style number 11 bunny Danny Morrison is there with an unbeaten 106 run partnership with Nathan Astle. He was not in the queue when batting talent was handed out but by god did he value his wicket dearly. Also interesting to note another tenth wicket partnership (118 runs) involving Nathan Astle once again and Chris Cairns. Presumably one of them must have been carrying an injury and reverted to being last drop?
@Higgins said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 Pleasing to be reminded that the stereotypical old style number 11 bunny Danny Morrison is there with an unbeaten 106 run partnership with Nathan Astle. He was not in the queue when batting talent was handed out but by god did he value his wicket dearly. Also interesting to not another tenth wicket partnership (118 runs) involving Nathan Astle once again and Chris Cairns. Presumably one of them must have been carrying an injury and reverted to being last drop?
I watched that last one ball by ball on the couch having crashed with a bunch of mates after a hard night the day before. What a great day to blob, continue drinking and witness a fighting loss.
Cairns was carrying an injury so batted at 11. It was a game they couldn’t win so Astle went nuts and got his 222, Cairns couldn’t run from memory so hit a couple himself but was definitely junior partner.
Fairly sure Graeme Thorpe got the record for fastest test double ton but Astle broke it in the same match ?
