Halberg Awards
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
Add to that, strength, discipline , vision, balance and courage.
If these things weren’t real and difficult, we would see wins shared pretty evenly amongst the jockeys every year.
We do not
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
Fucking Amen.
You’d be fucking ignorant to suggest otherwise
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Steven Alker should at least have been nominated.
@taniwharugby said in Halberg Awards:
Steven Alker should at least have been nominated.
Agree! Our golfers have really represented on the world stage this year. Lydia gets the obvious mention but Steve has been phenomenal
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@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
Add to that, strength, discipline , vision, balance and courage.
If these things weren’t real and difficult, we would see wins shared pretty evenly amongst the jockeys every year.
We do not
@voodoo said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
Add to that, strength, discipline , vision, balance and courage.
If these things weren’t real and difficult, we would see wins shared pretty evenly amongst the jockeys every year.
We do not
Anyone who doesn't think elite jockeys are athletes have never seen them train
Their power to weight ratios would be incredible
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@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
> Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?Although I'm sure your jockey point has serious merit, you must at least acknowledge the irony here ...
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60th ISPS Handa Halberg Awards Finalists Announced
Finalists
Full list of for the 60th ISPS Handa Halberg Awards
ISPS Handa Para Athlete/Para Team of the Year:
Adam Hall (Para skiing)
Cameron Leslie (Para swimming)
Corey Peters (Para skiing)
Nicole Murray (Para cycling)
Dame Sophie Pascoe (Para swimming)
High Performance Sport New Zealand Sportswoman of the Year:
Ellesse Andrews (cycling – track)
Dame Lisa Carrington (sprint kayak)
Lydia Ko (golf)
Ruahei Demant (rugby)
Zoi Sadowski-Synnott (snow sport - snowboarding)
ISPS Handa Sportsman on the Year:
Aaron Gate (cycling – track and road)
Dylan Schmidt (gymnastics - trampoline)
Nico Porteous (snow sport- freeskiing)
Paul Coll (squash)
Shane van Gisbergen (motorsport)
ISPS Handa Team of the Year:
Black Ferns (rugby)
Joelle King and Amanda Landers-Murphy (squash – women’s doubles)
Joelle King and Paul Coll (squash – mixed doubles)
Kerri Williams and Grace Prendergast (rowing - pair)
New Zealand Eventing Team (equestrian)
Buddle Findlay Coach of the Year:
Craig Palmer (cycling – men’s track)
Gordon Walker (sprint kayak)
Sean Thompson (snow sport- snowboarding)
Tommy Pyatt (snow sport - freeskiing)
Wayne Smith (rugby)
Sky Sport Emerging Talent:
Cameron Gray (swimming)
Gustav Legnavsky (snowsport - freeski halfpipe)
Jenna Hastings (cycling – downhill mountain bike)
Joshua Willmer (swimming)
Tara Vaughan (sprint kayak)
The winners will be announced at the 60th ISPS Handa Halberg Awards ceremony at Spark Arena, Auckland on Wednesday 15 February 2023 and broadcast live on Sky Sport and free to air on Prime TV from 8:30pm.
The event will be both a significant milestone of achievement and one of reflection and remembrance as the first Awards ceremony since the passing of the man whose name adorns this occasion. The late Sir Murray Halberg (ONZ) re-established the Awards in 1963 to honour and celebrate sporting excellence, and most importantly, the occasion formed the major fundraiser for the Halberg Foundation. Sir Murray established the charity which aims to enhance the lives of physically disabled young New Zealanders by enabling them to participate in sport and recreation.@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
ISPS Handa Sportsman on the Year:
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Shane van Gisbergen (motorsport)ISPS Handa Team of the Year:
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New Zealand Eventing Team (equestrian -
Next time, I'll use an emoji, guys! Take a pick: :fishing_pole: :face_with_tongue: :winking_face: :winking_face_with_tongue: :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Edited to add that I'd support an award going to a jockey and his horse more than just going to the jockey alone. It's the horse who's doing the hardest work.
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@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
> Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?Although I'm sure your jockey point has serious merit, you must at least acknowledge the irony here ...
@MajorRage said in Halberg Awards:
@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
> Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?Although I'm sure your jockey point has serious merit, you must at least acknowledge the irony here ...
I acknowledge nothing
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Next time, I'll use an emoji, guys! Take a pick: :fishing_pole: :face_with_tongue: :winking_face: :winking_face_with_tongue: :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Edited to add that I'd support an award going to a jockey and his horse more than just going to the jockey alone. It's the horse who's doing the hardest work.
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Next time, I'll use an emoji, guys! Take a pick: :fishing_pole: :face_with_tongue: :winking_face: :winking_face_with_tongue: :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Edited to add that I'd support an award going to a jockey and his horse more than just going to the jockey alone. It's the horse who's doing the hardest work.
All very well but jockeys don't just ride one horse - they're often riding 5 or 6 on a day. Plus it's "sportsman" of the year.
Let's just be very clear here - racing is across all six inhabited continents. It is a global sport and based on McDonald's efforts (even in largely Australia) he has been rated as the world's best.
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How good can he be if he can't even get nominated for a Halberg?
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If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
@Bovidae said in Halberg Awards:
If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
Maybe Zoi over Andrew’s but both would be worthy.
ZSS was first ever Winter Olympics Gold for NZ. That must gain some votes.
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@Bovidae said in Halberg Awards:
If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
Maybe Zoi over Andrew’s but both would be worthy.
ZSS was first ever Winter Olympics Gold for NZ. That must gain some votes.
@Crucial said in Halberg Awards:
@Bovidae said in Halberg Awards:
If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
Maybe Zoi over Andrew’s but both would be worthy.
ZSS was first ever Winter Olympics Gold for NZ. That must gain some votes.
Good point. An Olympic gold and silver would trump multiple CG golds. ZSS also won the Lonsdale Cup, which must make her favourite to win the overall Halberg award (depending on the emotional votes for the Black Ferns).
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Horse racing isn’t inclusive enough. It’s a sport for little folk. Maybe it should be in the para category?
@Crucial It's not even a proper sport nowadays, more a vehicle for betting.
Joking aside when I was growing up racing was huge and was followed by people who weren't necessarily gambling on the outcome. That doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.
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Joking aside, there are always the same arguments when awards go to the eventers as well.
Tim Price is number one eventer in the world with his wife Jonelle being number two.
Being ranked highly in many sports correlates with activity and having a well established stable certainly helps in that regard as horse injuries can derail a program of events for you. I am guessing that it is similar in racing as the better you are the more rides you are offered on better horses which helps with ranking.
All good “athletes” in their chosen sports but I don’t think it is a travesty for them not to be nominated in awards that are partly aimed at getting others interested in playing sport.
