NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
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@ARHS said in NZ v Pakistan:
Went to bed at Conway 100. Expected 350 target. What a collapse. Good time to go to bed.
I thought Nawaz bowled brilliantly in the middle overs. Slowed the runs and took wickets. He was getting the ball to move. Kane got done by a pearler. He had Latham all at sea.
SatNav’s batting in the last couple of overs was very good.
I think it was a pretty good score given the bowling. Gave our bowlers something to be confident to defend and bowl aggressively which I thought we did.
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@mariner4life current world test champions. It's a miracle... We are under funded and the sport it's poorly coached compared to overseas
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@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
We will look back and realise that the Baz/Kane era was a golden generation for NZ cricket that will be very difficult to emulate. If it is repeated it will be in spite of NZC not because of their governance
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
Rather unfair to say none of the batters can be relied on for consistency when only WIlliamson and Latham have played more than 20 ODI's.
You do realize we are the number 1 ranked team in ODI's?
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@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 x 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade (edit: plus another 2 x 140k + guys). They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics if they can stay on park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
Batting is where it is scary.
And poor batting lineups, if it gets as bad as it might - will make our next bowling line ups of that era appear 10 to 20% worse than they are when they have no runs to play with/build pressure. -
@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
Sears, Fisher, O'Rourke. (Edit: although I've not seen O'Rourke bowl in a game with a speed gun, and Fisher not with a speed gun since U19 when he wasn't yet 140+) I'd eye-judge them as being more 140+ rather than 145 consistently
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@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
Sears, Fisher, O'Rourke.
Any of those hitting 145kph ?
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
Fuck you guys. I'm too old to go through 30 years of re-running the 90's waiting for the next golden generation.
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I don't follow the Blackcaps much these days (disillusioned with Stead) so can someone explain why Will Young isn't in the ODI team anymore? It's statistically his best format & he's got a better List A record than anyone in the current squad except for Conway and Williamson, he's also performed well in ODI's previously averaging 40 odd. What gives?
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@kiwi_expat said in NZ v Pakistan:
I don't follow the Blackcaps much these days (disillusioned with Stead) so can someone explain why Will Young isn't in the ODI team anymore? It's statistically his best format & he's got a better List A record than anyone in the current squad except for Conway and Williamson, he's also performed well in ODI's previously averaging 40 odd. What gives?
Isn't he injured? Which is why he's not currently in the Test team.... hopefully someone else can confirm.
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@Canes4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@kiwi_expat said in NZ v Pakistan:
I don't follow the Blackcaps much these days (disillusioned with Stead) so can someone explain why Will Young isn't in the ODI team anymore? It's statistically his best format & he's got a better List A record than anyone in the current squad except for Conway and Williamson, he's also performed well in ODI's previously averaging 40 odd. What gives?
Isn't he injured? Which is why he's not currently in the Test team.... hopefully someone else can confirm.
No, he's just not in the 11.
On the tour, for both red and white ball, but not played yet.Edit. Wait, no I'm wrong? not in the ODI sqaud?
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
When it comes to playing Aus in tests, I'm not sure we ever really got out of the dark old days, they've had our number in that format for ever. Managing to pull off winning the test championship was one of the sweetest things ever, we're unlikely to ever win that again.
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
Yes we have really hit the depths. We might not even be top ranked in the world any more if we lose the next match.. .
Big Bash is a level above in my view even if it has the odd blip. Somebody called Marnus put on a fielding and bowling display last night that would not be out of place in schools second eleven. Would NZ plumb those same depths to fill a team?
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