Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!
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@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
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@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
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@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
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Winning percentage did not help and I am sure losing to Italy probably just pushed the knife further in from the "he's not Strayan" club.
Strange times, Gatland, now Jones.. I wonder if Rudolph Straeuli and John Mitchel preparing for his multiverse
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Winning percentage did not help and I am sure losing to Italy probably just pushed the knife further in from the "he's not Strayan" club.
Strange times, Gatland, now Jones.. I wonder if Rudolph Straeuli and John Mitchel preparing for his multiverse
@bayimports said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Winning percentage did not help and I am sure losing to Italy probably just pushed the knife further in from the "he's not Strayan" club.
Strange times, Gatland, now Jones.. I wonder if Rudolph Straeuli and John Mitchel preparing for his multiverse
As I said on GAGR: international coaching is a bit like Corporate Executive; once you're in you always have a gig - no matter your reputation or history.
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@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Is that what Eddie told them in his interview?
“It is a major coup for Australian Rugby to have the best coach in the world return home to coach the iconic Wallabies and to oversee the Wallaroos program,” McLennan said.
McLennan is on drugs. Incredibly stupid less than a year out from RWC and only makes sense if their focus is RWC 2027 in Australia. I like Eddie Jones alot but he's not the team/culture builder that Rennie was. He's what Aussie's call a shit-stirrer and IMO Rugby Aus will regret this in a couple of seasons time.
Question for the Fern - is Rennie now a legit contender for the AB job? Razor has Super form and longevity but he doesn't have Rennie's international experience at both club & test level.
@TheMojoman said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Is that what Eddie told them in his interview?
“It is a major coup for Australian Rugby to have the best coach in the world return home to coach the iconic Wallabies and to oversee the Wallaroos program,” McLennan said.
McLennan is on drugs. Incredibly stupid less than a year out from RWC and only makes sense if their focus is RWC 2027 in Australia. I like Eddie Jones alot but he's not the team/culture builder that Rennie was. He's what Aussie's call a shit-stirrer and IMO Rugby Aus will regret this in a couple of seasons time.
This will be Eddie’s last big international coaching job and he’s returned home. This is a legacy moment for him and he’s a pretty proud man, so I think there will be some changes. From all reports he’s learned a heap about man management from his stints in SA, Japan and England. He’s still a little old school but I think the approach will be different.
Whether that translates to results, well who knows.
I think it’s a very good appointment and a right fit for what really is an up and down side that when they are good they are really good and when they play poor they are a 7th or 8th ranked side.
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from a management perspective this is an interesting case
it appears, from teh outside, the Rennie has spent 3 years building culture and depth, to varying levels of success depending on how you look at it. And it's cost him his job.
Did RA sign off on the plan and vision?
Is this just a decision by RA to get who they see as the best coach available?Didn't the wallabies have a camp like a week ago? Anything worked on is already redundant.
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@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
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@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
@kiwi_expat said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
The Australians, even when losing under Rennie, could always attack. I'd be very happy with that set-up.
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
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@kiwi_expat said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
The Australians, even when losing under Rennie, could always attack. I'd be very happy with that set-up.
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
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@kiwi_expat said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
The Australians, even when losing under Rennie, could always attack. I'd be very happy with that set-up.
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster
got a great track record of taking Foster's foundations and making them successful
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Let's see if the current Wallaby assistant coaches are interested in staying now, or wanted. Are Fisher and Jones close with the ACT connection? RA better get used to paying out backroom staff as Eddie churns through his assistants.
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Let's see if the current Wallaby assistant coaches are interested in staying now, or wanted. Are Fisher and Jones close with the ACT connection? RA better get used to paying out backroom staff as Eddie churns through his assistants.
@Bovidae said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Let's see if the current Wallaby assistant coaches are interested in staying now, or wanted. Are Fisher and Jones close with the ACT connection? RA better get used to paying out backroom staff as Eddie churns through his assistants.
I don’t think there is any bad blood there but they do have very different philosophies on the game.
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Let's see if the current Wallaby assistant coaches are interested in staying now, or wanted. Are Fisher and Jones close with the ACT connection? RA better get used to paying out backroom staff as Eddie churns through his assistants.
@Bovidae said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Let's see if the current Wallaby assistant coaches are interested in staying now, or wanted. Are Fisher and Jones close with the ACT connection? RA better get used to paying out backroom staff as Eddie churns through his assistants.
Fisher sings to his own song sheet. Can't see him working with Eddie but I can see Larkham going back as attack coach. He took the fall for Cheika and then Rennie does his own attack.
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@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
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@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
To quote you back "he doesn't seem like that sort of guy". I think if he thinks he can help the ABs win then he'd do it regardless of Foster. Plus, he only needs to read the Fern to know that Ryan gets all the credit anyway.
I don't think he'd do it out of misplaced loyalty to NZR, just a desire to see the ABs win.
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genuinely laughing at using Eddie's "world cup win percentage" as this amazing thing.
Generally, the big teams lose once a world up. If you win your pool games and lose your quarter, boom! 80% win percentage achieved!
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
genuinely laughing at using Eddie's "world cup win percentage" as this amazing thing.
Generally, the big teams lose once a world up. If you win your pool games and lose your quarter, boom! 80% win percentage achieved!
to quote myself, this is starting to do my head in
Most Successful World Cup Coach ever!!
(if you are exceedingly generous and give him a lot of credit for his "advisory" role with SA in 2007.But even beyond that, there's a bloke called Steve Hansen who wants a word.
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@TheMojoman said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Is that what Eddie told them in his interview?
“It is a major coup for Australian Rugby to have the best coach in the world return home to coach the iconic Wallabies and to oversee the Wallaroos program,” McLennan said.
McLennan is on drugs. Incredibly stupid less than a year out from RWC and only makes sense if their focus is RWC 2027 in Australia. I like Eddie Jones alot but he's not the team/culture builder that Rennie was. He's what Aussie's call a shit-stirrer and IMO Rugby Aus will regret this in a couple of seasons time.
This will be Eddie’s last big international coaching job and he’s returned home. This is a legacy moment for him and he’s a pretty proud man, so I think there will be some changes. From all reports he’s learned a heap about man management from his stints in SA, Japan and England. He’s still a little old school but I think the approach will be different.
Whether that translates to results, well who knows.
I think it’s a very good appointment and a right fit for what really is an up and down side that when they are good they are really good and when they play poor they are a 7th or 8th ranked side.
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
From all reports he’s learned a heap about man management from his stints in SA, Japan and England
From some reports out of England he's learned nothing about man management.
That could be circumstantial tho; I read Mat Rogers' book recently and his last year at the Titans in NRL he was confronted with a change room full of guys silently scrolling their phones. It was a marked change from when he departed the NRL to join rugby, and he figured (along with his failing body) that was the point he was done.
