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    @voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

    though you’d rightly expect him to do that for free or to refund RA any earnings offset

    Nah, RA are the ones that terminated his contract (presuming his lawyer isn't a clown). Although it seems based on the reporting thus far that he's a contracted employee of RA's to fulfil various duties. If it stipulated he was the Head Coach, then it would be cut and dry that he's been replaced and the contract with RA has been breached, leading to remedies.

    I maintain (in my ignorance) that Head Coach isn't full of trade secrets. We know how they play based on extensive analysis. We know that Eddie would change how they play (and some selections). There's nothing I can think of material Rennie could advise other Unions.

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    @antipodean Fair point in that the exit was (presumably) employer-driven. At the same time, it's hard to make a case that's he been disadvantaged in some way give the full pay out.

    On the trade secrets bit, it's an interesting one. Certainly any new coach will change things like gameplan and strategy up. But I think there would be some information that Rennie would take with him that could be extremely valuable to a competitor in a RWC year (i.e. short-term only) - a specific players weakness, another players lack of confidence, a combination that isn't gelling at practice, insight into certain mental deficiencies or cultural traits.

    Maybe nothing major, but still worth protecting if you can

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      From The Australian.

      3 points:

      • Does not appear to be a negotiated exit
      • Jones is the Messiah, and McLennan is basically God for orchestrating his return
      • the RWC, BIL series and Bled are as good as won for Australia

      Dave Rennie sacked via Zoom, Eddie Jones returns as Wallabies coach

      By JAMIE PANDARAM
      SENIOR SPORTS WRITER
      7:41PM JANUARY 16, 2023

      Dave Rennie was sacked over Zoom at 6am Monday morning.

      The news was delivered via video conference by Rugby Australia chief executive Andy Marinos, who is in South Africa.

      It came after Eddie Jones signed an offer from RA, worth about $4.5 million over five years, at 11.30pm last Saturday night. His appointment was ratified by the RA board on Sunday morning.

      Rennie got off the Zoom call, packed his bags and flew home to New Zealand.

      Jones will arrive in Australia next week to mount one of the most unlikely World Cup campaigns in history, with just eight months’ preparation and five games before their first pool game against Georgia, in Paris, on September 9.

      The dramatic axing of Rennie, who had planned a World Cup campaign for three years, only to be sacked after holding an extensive, and expensive Wallabies camp in the Gold Coast last week where he went over game plans and strategy with 44 players, was a brutal end to a disappointing tenure.

      Rennie managed just 13 wins from 34 games in charge of Australia, a win percentage of 38.24, the worst of any Wallabies coach with more than 30 Tests.

      For RA, and chairman Hamish McLennan, the moment Jones was sacked by the RFU in December and became available, the wheels were in motion to oust Rennie.

      He flew to London, had chicken wraps with Jones at a cafe just outside London, and orchestrated the remarkable deal.

      And McLennan makes no bones about his expectations now.

      “I absolutely believe we can win the World Cup, and I think it could be the greatest comeback ever,” McLennan told News Corp Australia.

      “This thing can be fixed, and he’ll be a big of it, our turnaround.

      “Buckle up, it’s going to be a fun ride.

      “You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”

      That is Jones’ enormous task. He’ll oversee the Wallabies’ 2023 and 2027 World Cup campaigns, the Lions series hosted in Australia in 2025, as well the women’s Wallaroos’ program.

      Dave Rennie had a horror record as Wallabies coach. Picture: Mark Runnacles/Getty Images.
      Dave Rennie had a horror record as Wallabies coach. Picture: Mark Runnacles/Getty Images.
      “His major focus is the Wallabies, and he’s going to oversee Wallaroos coach selection and make sure the women get access to the hub of the best thinking of rugby in Australia,” McLennan said.

      As for Jones’ reputation as a fearsome boss who has a high turnover of staff, McLennnan said: “We need an injection of toughness into rugby in Australia, that’s unique to us and a key differentiator, and I want it.”

      Rennie’s assistant coaches Dan McKellar and Laurie Fisher remain in place for now.

      “We’re giving [Jones] a lot of latitude, and everyone needs to hold their horses and wait for him to arrive,” McLennan said.

      “I think it could be the best learning experience of their careers.

      “Even two years ago, we were saying we need to think more long-term about the game and so we’ve been thinking 2024 for Eddie, never believing that England would cut him.

      “Then they cut him, we’d had a pretty average spring tour, and we went into overdrive to try to secure him.”

      Eddie Jones will have major decisions to make about the Wallabies players, none more so than these high-profile five.

      Quade Cooper
      The mercurial playmaker has been tremendous in his reincarnation as a Test footballer since returning in 2021, and had the five-eighth jersey sewn up until injuries cursed him. Jones blooded a player of similar ilk to Cooper- England’s Marcus Smith – in the past 12 months. Whether he will push for Cooper to keep the Wallabies’ No.10 jersey, or go for a more conservative player, will be key to the style he adopts for the World Cup campaign.

      James Slipper
      The Wallabies captain has shown his leadership qualities on and off the field since taking over the role from Michael Hooper. But Jones may want a new leading voice, and this will be one of the major decisions he must make early in his tenure. With only five matches before the World Cup begins, the leading man and the front row must be settled. If Slipper cannot be guaranteed a starting spot at loosehead under Jones, he can’t remain the skipper.

      Michael Hooper
      Australia’s most consistent performer, Hooper stood down last year to take a mental health break. Dave Rennie made Slipper the new team captain. Hooper has returned to the national team and hasn’t looked a step off the beat, but also seems to be thriving without the responsibility of being team leader. Jones is a fan of the player, but must consider what role Hooper has in the team leadership group.

      Will Skelton
      The barnstorming behemoth has returned to the Test arena and put the case forward for his physicality making a difference. But Australia’s set-piece has regularly been attacked and demoralised by rivals. How Jones sets about fixing this, and where Skelton fits into the picture as a rare lineout jumper, will be telling.

      Jordan Petaia
      Hailed as the wonder boy of Australian rugby, Petaia has struggled with form and injuries over the past four years. Many were still tipping the youngster to take the Wallabies’ fullback spot at the World Cup, but nothing is now guaranteed with Jones at the helm. He’s watched Petaia from afar, but whether he thinks the Queenslander is ready for the key role in 2023, or if Jones wants a better kicking option at the back, must be determined by the first Test against South Africa in July and persisted with throughout the World Cup campaign.
      Rennie, sensing RA was not going to extend his contract beyond the World Cup, is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers from October.

      But he was blindsided by his axing on Monday. As late as last week, he was rejecting the idea of Jones joining his coaching team for the 23 World Cup campaign.

      Jones begins his second stint as Wallabies coach on January 29, and will need to get across all five Super Rugby teams’ plans before his first Test is played in Pretoria against South Africa on July 8.

      “It is a wonderful opportunity for me to be able to come home to Australia and lead my nation to a Rugby World Cup,” said Jones, who previously coached the Wallabies from 2001-05.

      Dave Rennie is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers. Picture: Fiona Goodall/Getty Images
      Dave Rennie is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers. Picture: Fiona Goodall/Getty Images
      “It is going to be an immense period for Australian rugby – as a proud Australian, it is a great honour to be able to come home and lead the national team during these years.

      “The Wallabies squad is a really talented group of players with good depth – if we can have everyone fit and healthy going into the World Cup this year, I am confident that we can go to France and break the 24-year drought of winning the Rugby World Cup.”

      In a statement, Marinos said of Rennie: “Dave has been instrumental in developing much of the depth that we see in and around the current Wallabies squad; there are a number of players that are genuine World Cup possibilities because of opportunities that Dave has provided.

      “The work ethic, the spirit within the group, and the way the team carries itself are all a direct result of Dave’s input – he has made a real mark on this group of players.”

      JAMIE PANDARAM SENIOR SPORTS WRITER

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        I agree with the decison ….

        But this is one hell of a statement. I don’t think the Wallabies have the depth / players for this

        You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”
        

        What’s the view from GAGR?

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        • Dan54D Dan54

          @nostrildamus said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?

          Yep well apart from Eddie, I don't know any coaches that have reapplied after getting fired from test rugby. But you right he never tried, that I know of.

          John Mitchell went on to coach the mighty Eagles.

          Yep fair enough Nost, I also think that Cheika was kind of let go from Wallabies and doing Pumas now too, so perhaps I needed to think a bit more.Lol

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          @Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @nostrildamus said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

          @Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?

          Yep well apart from Eddie, I don't know any coaches that have reapplied after getting fired from test rugby. But you right he never tried, that I know of.

          John Mitchell went on to coach the mighty Eagles.

          Yep fair enough Nost, I also think that Cheika was kind of let go from Wallabies and doing Pumas now too, so perhaps I needed to think a bit more.Lol

          I forgot about him too, oops!

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          • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

            @nostrildamus I think if it was a non-RWC year they may have waived that but to me it’s not about being nasty but more a face saving exercise by RA.

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            @ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

            @nostrildamus I think if it was a non-RWC year they may have waived that but to me it’s not about being nasty but more a face saving exercise by RA.

            ok.

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            • voodooV voodoo

              From The Australian.

              3 points:

              • Does not appear to be a negotiated exit
              • Jones is the Messiah, and McLennan is basically God for orchestrating his return
              • the RWC, BIL series and Bled are as good as won for Australia

              Dave Rennie sacked via Zoom, Eddie Jones returns as Wallabies coach

              By JAMIE PANDARAM
              SENIOR SPORTS WRITER
              7:41PM JANUARY 16, 2023

              Dave Rennie was sacked over Zoom at 6am Monday morning.

              The news was delivered via video conference by Rugby Australia chief executive Andy Marinos, who is in South Africa.

              It came after Eddie Jones signed an offer from RA, worth about $4.5 million over five years, at 11.30pm last Saturday night. His appointment was ratified by the RA board on Sunday morning.

              Rennie got off the Zoom call, packed his bags and flew home to New Zealand.

              Jones will arrive in Australia next week to mount one of the most unlikely World Cup campaigns in history, with just eight months’ preparation and five games before their first pool game against Georgia, in Paris, on September 9.

              The dramatic axing of Rennie, who had planned a World Cup campaign for three years, only to be sacked after holding an extensive, and expensive Wallabies camp in the Gold Coast last week where he went over game plans and strategy with 44 players, was a brutal end to a disappointing tenure.

              Rennie managed just 13 wins from 34 games in charge of Australia, a win percentage of 38.24, the worst of any Wallabies coach with more than 30 Tests.

              For RA, and chairman Hamish McLennan, the moment Jones was sacked by the RFU in December and became available, the wheels were in motion to oust Rennie.

              He flew to London, had chicken wraps with Jones at a cafe just outside London, and orchestrated the remarkable deal.

              And McLennan makes no bones about his expectations now.

              “I absolutely believe we can win the World Cup, and I think it could be the greatest comeback ever,” McLennan told News Corp Australia.

              “This thing can be fixed, and he’ll be a big of it, our turnaround.

              “Buckle up, it’s going to be a fun ride.

              “You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”

              That is Jones’ enormous task. He’ll oversee the Wallabies’ 2023 and 2027 World Cup campaigns, the Lions series hosted in Australia in 2025, as well the women’s Wallaroos’ program.

              Dave Rennie had a horror record as Wallabies coach. Picture: Mark Runnacles/Getty Images.
              Dave Rennie had a horror record as Wallabies coach. Picture: Mark Runnacles/Getty Images.
              “His major focus is the Wallabies, and he’s going to oversee Wallaroos coach selection and make sure the women get access to the hub of the best thinking of rugby in Australia,” McLennan said.

              As for Jones’ reputation as a fearsome boss who has a high turnover of staff, McLennnan said: “We need an injection of toughness into rugby in Australia, that’s unique to us and a key differentiator, and I want it.”

              Rennie’s assistant coaches Dan McKellar and Laurie Fisher remain in place for now.

              “We’re giving [Jones] a lot of latitude, and everyone needs to hold their horses and wait for him to arrive,” McLennan said.

              “I think it could be the best learning experience of their careers.

              “Even two years ago, we were saying we need to think more long-term about the game and so we’ve been thinking 2024 for Eddie, never believing that England would cut him.

              “Then they cut him, we’d had a pretty average spring tour, and we went into overdrive to try to secure him.”

              Eddie Jones will have major decisions to make about the Wallabies players, none more so than these high-profile five.

              Quade Cooper
              The mercurial playmaker has been tremendous in his reincarnation as a Test footballer since returning in 2021, and had the five-eighth jersey sewn up until injuries cursed him. Jones blooded a player of similar ilk to Cooper- England’s Marcus Smith – in the past 12 months. Whether he will push for Cooper to keep the Wallabies’ No.10 jersey, or go for a more conservative player, will be key to the style he adopts for the World Cup campaign.

              James Slipper
              The Wallabies captain has shown his leadership qualities on and off the field since taking over the role from Michael Hooper. But Jones may want a new leading voice, and this will be one of the major decisions he must make early in his tenure. With only five matches before the World Cup begins, the leading man and the front row must be settled. If Slipper cannot be guaranteed a starting spot at loosehead under Jones, he can’t remain the skipper.

              Michael Hooper
              Australia’s most consistent performer, Hooper stood down last year to take a mental health break. Dave Rennie made Slipper the new team captain. Hooper has returned to the national team and hasn’t looked a step off the beat, but also seems to be thriving without the responsibility of being team leader. Jones is a fan of the player, but must consider what role Hooper has in the team leadership group.

              Will Skelton
              The barnstorming behemoth has returned to the Test arena and put the case forward for his physicality making a difference. But Australia’s set-piece has regularly been attacked and demoralised by rivals. How Jones sets about fixing this, and where Skelton fits into the picture as a rare lineout jumper, will be telling.

              Jordan Petaia
              Hailed as the wonder boy of Australian rugby, Petaia has struggled with form and injuries over the past four years. Many were still tipping the youngster to take the Wallabies’ fullback spot at the World Cup, but nothing is now guaranteed with Jones at the helm. He’s watched Petaia from afar, but whether he thinks the Queenslander is ready for the key role in 2023, or if Jones wants a better kicking option at the back, must be determined by the first Test against South Africa in July and persisted with throughout the World Cup campaign.
              Rennie, sensing RA was not going to extend his contract beyond the World Cup, is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers from October.

              But he was blindsided by his axing on Monday. As late as last week, he was rejecting the idea of Jones joining his coaching team for the 23 World Cup campaign.

              Jones begins his second stint as Wallabies coach on January 29, and will need to get across all five Super Rugby teams’ plans before his first Test is played in Pretoria against South Africa on July 8.

              “It is a wonderful opportunity for me to be able to come home to Australia and lead my nation to a Rugby World Cup,” said Jones, who previously coached the Wallabies from 2001-05.

              Dave Rennie is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers. Picture: Fiona Goodall/Getty Images
              Dave Rennie is understood to have agreed to terms with Japanese Top League club Kobe Steelers. Picture: Fiona Goodall/Getty Images
              “It is going to be an immense period for Australian rugby – as a proud Australian, it is a great honour to be able to come home and lead the national team during these years.

              “The Wallabies squad is a really talented group of players with good depth – if we can have everyone fit and healthy going into the World Cup this year, I am confident that we can go to France and break the 24-year drought of winning the Rugby World Cup.”

              In a statement, Marinos said of Rennie: “Dave has been instrumental in developing much of the depth that we see in and around the current Wallabies squad; there are a number of players that are genuine World Cup possibilities because of opportunities that Dave has provided.

              “The work ethic, the spirit within the group, and the way the team carries itself are all a direct result of Dave’s input – he has made a real mark on this group of players.”

              JAMIE PANDARAM SENIOR SPORTS WRITER

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              @voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

              “You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”

              Sounds like a bar fly on the pokies - "Just one more tap of the buttons and I'll get it all back!"

              As for McLennan's injection of toughness? 🤣 These are coddled idiots who appoint Community Rugby people who have never ever been involved in the game. RA HQ is bloated and self-serving and, despite having the broom put through it when COVID hit, could easily get rid of that many staff again to sharpen up the bottom line.

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              • KirwanK Kirwan

                @Kirwan said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                @taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                @Catogrande yeah the old restraint of trade clauses...but I guess if he is still paid in full through to end of year it isn't affecting his ability to earn a living, which is where those clauses usually come unstuck for most jobs?

                Are they enforceable in Australia?

                Googled it;

                "Restriction of trade clauses are enforceable up to a certain extent. In order for them to be enforced, they must protect the employer’s legitimate business interest (i.e. a trade secret) or the reputation of the business."

                I guess player details and team tactics could be seen as trade secrets, but seems a stretch to me. Lawyer up Rennie and hit the gym.

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                @Kirwan said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                @Kirwan said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                @taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                @Catogrande yeah the old restraint of trade clauses...but I guess if he is still paid in full through to end of year it isn't affecting his ability to earn a living, which is where those clauses usually come unstuck for most jobs?

                Are they enforceable in Australia?

                Googled it;

                "Restriction of trade clauses are enforceable up to a certain extent. In order for them to be enforced, they must protect the employer’s legitimate business interest (i.e. a trade secret) or the reputation of the business."

                I guess player details and team tactics could be seen as trade secrets, but seems a stretch to me. Lawyer up Rennie and hit the gym.

                Would love to see the "reputation of the business" tested in court!

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                • NTAN NTA

                  @voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                  “You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”

                  Sounds like a bar fly on the pokies - "Just one more tap of the buttons and I'll get it all back!"

                  As for McLennan's injection of toughness? 🤣 These are coddled idiots who appoint Community Rugby people who have never ever been involved in the game. RA HQ is bloated and self-serving and, despite having the broom put through it when COVID hit, could easily get rid of that many staff again to sharpen up the bottom line.

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                  @NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                  @voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                  “You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”

                  Sounds like a bar fly on the pokies - "Just one more tap of the buttons and I'll get it all back!"

                  As for McLennan's injection of toughness? 🤣 These are coddled idiots who appoint Community Rugby people who have never ever been involved in the game. RA HQ is bloated and self-serving and, despite having the broom put through it when COVID hit, could easily get rid of that many staff again to sharpen up the bottom line.

                  But the remainder are unemployable idiots mates...

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                  • MajorPomM MajorPom

                    I agree with the decison ….

                    But this is one hell of a statement. I don’t think the Wallabies have the depth / players for this

                    You wait, you get the Wallabies winning, we win the World Cup, we win the British & Irish Lions series, we win the Bledisloe Cup, it all comes back.”
                    

                    What’s the view from GAGR?

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                    @MajorRage said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                    What’s the view from GAGR?

                    Mostly:

                    • feel bad for Rennie who seemed like a top bloke, got us going in the right direction, and got a horror run of injuries
                    • BUT results matter, ultimately.
                    • There are those old enough to remember Eddie's last stint, and are wary of his faults including shelf life
                    • However there is a general belief that he could provide some real impetus heading into a RWC year

                    Like me, a lot of people are numb to whatever RA are doing in their decision making process. "Yeah sure. Throw it on the pile with the rest... "

                    On the plus side, Eddie was on one of our major FTA morning shows (Channel Nine's Today Show which is the network aligned with Stan streaming, our rugby platform), and there are promo videos happening e.g. this is brand new and popping up in the feed of all subscribers and anyone the algo deems is "Rugby" and "Australia"

                    So the PR side of things looks like it'll get a boost... at least until NRL and AFL seasons start.

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                      https://twitter.com/drew_mitchell/status/1614760399559352321

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                        https://twitter.com/drew_mitchell/status/1614760399559352321

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                        .What probably got Rennie sacked was the 38% win rate. .All they were looking at was essentially the bottom line. His end of year tour wasn't that bad as they were unlucky to loose narrowly to Ireland and France. The series loss to England was also very close. Saw an article which is for subcribers which says he is on the All Blacks radar, wonder what will be his next move.

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                          They went from a coach with a 38% win rate who just lost to Italy and has never coached at a World Cup to a coach with much more international success including success at 4 different World Cups.

                          I could see Wallabies making a real run at the RWC this year given their side of the draw and Eddie's intimate knowledge of England and Wales.

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                          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                            They went from a coach with a 38% win rate who just lost to Italy and has never coached at a World Cup to a coach with much more international success including success at 4 different World Cups.

                            I could see Wallabies making a real run at the RWC this year given their side of the draw and Eddie's intimate knowledge of England and Wales.

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                            @KiwiMurph said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                            They went from a coach with a 38% win rate who just lost to Italy and has never coached at a World Cup to a coach with much more international success including success at 4 different World Cups.

                            I could see Wallabies making a real run at the RWC this year given their side of the draw and Eddie's intimate knowledge of England and Wales.

                            He will still be fresh to the players so they will be better

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                              @KiwiMurph said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                              They went from a coach with a 38% win rate who just lost to Italy and has never coached at a World Cup to a coach with much more international success including success at 4 different World Cups.

                              I could see Wallabies making a real run at the RWC this year given their side of the draw and Eddie's intimate knowledge of England and Wales.

                              He will still be fresh to the players so they will be better

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                              @canefan said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                              He will still be fresh to the players so they will be better

                              This year at least. Next year as well.

                              2025? Well he's apparently overseeing the Wallaroos as well, so...

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                                Interesting headline. Didn't read the article.

                                https://twitter.com/TelegraphRugby/status/1615083860378718209

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                                  no one knows what Rennie would have achieved next year with a fit squad. So saying Eddie "will be better" is another bullshit excuse created to make this seem like an amazing hire.

                                  If Eddie is down to 4th choice in a bunch of positions he aint' winning shit either

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                                    Interesting to see over the last year Eddie has coached England to 4 wins, a draw and 7 losses,(31% wins) so while hes a good coach I not convinced he a wonder coach.

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                                      Interesting to see over the last year Eddie has coached England to 4 wins, a draw and 7 losses,(31% wins) so while hes a good coach I not convinced he a wonder coach.

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                                      @Dan54 He will have a point to prove. I remember he got very fired up at the end of the England series when a spectator called him a traitor. If he gets early success at our expense I can see us bringing in Wayne Smith or even Razor in some role. Still not clear if Rennie has some role in the All Blacks camp or not, his recent record against Eddie is not that shabbie,

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                                        @Nevorian said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                        @Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                        Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!

                                        Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!

                                        My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.

                                        They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense

                                        Dead cat bounce?

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                                        @booboo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                        @Nevorian said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                        @Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                        Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!

                                        Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!

                                        My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.

                                        They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense

                                        Dead cat bounce?

                                        Yes another good term for it.

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                                          @Dan54 He will have a point to prove. I remember he got very fired up at the end of the England series when a spectator called him a traitor. If he gets early success at our expense I can see us bringing in Wayne Smith or even Razor in some role. Still not clear if Rennie has some role in the All Blacks camp or not, his recent record against Eddie is not that shabbie,

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                                          @SBW1 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:

                                          @Dan54 He will have a point to prove. I remember he got very fired up at the end of the England series when a spectator called him a traitor. If he gets early success at our expense I can see us bringing in Wayne Smith or even Razor in some role. Still not clear if Rennie has some role in the All Blacks camp or not, his recent record against Eddie is not that shabbie,

                                          Actually when you look Wallabies actually had a 35.7% record in 2022 so better than Englnds.
                                          Rennie won't get a role with ABs, as well as his record , he I think is on a leave clause that would prevent him doing another job before WC.
                                          Will almost guarante Smith won't be back he has made it so clear his days are over, and can't see any role for Razor (even if his ego did allow the thought)
                                          Eddie maybe fired up, but I don't think having a fired up coach helps anyone.

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