Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!
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Pommy guy at work was saying he still knows people in the pro ranks back home, who can't praise Eddie enough. Don't believe the beat up about him being unpopular, or words to that effect.
But said work mate, who is a junior coach here now, is conflicted:
On one hand, Jones will help boost Rugby here and get people interested again. That's handy when you're involved in the game.
On the other, the match up against England at RWC has him very nervous...
@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Pommy guy at work was saying he still knows people in the pro ranks back home, who can't praise Eddie enough. Don't believe the beat up about him being unpopular, or words to that effect.
But said work mate, who is a junior coach here now, is conflicted:
On one hand, Jones will help boost Rugby here and get people interested again. That's handy when you're involved in the game.
On the other, the match up against England at RWC has him very nervous...
I might be wrong, but the issue is not necessarily that his popularity amongst his players and peers wanes over time, it's that his ability to get the best out of them on the pitch does. So, while he might still be popular with players and people in English rugby circles, he hasn't been able to get the best out of them nearly 4 years now. It was the same last time around with the Wallabies. There was no issue around player disharmony - it was all to do with waning results on the pitch and his inability / refusal to develop a functional tight 5.
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Treason is the stopped clock.
@Catogrande said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Treason is the stopped clock.
The l in that sentence appears to be redundant.
I don't care if he is infrequently right, there is something very bitter about that man. -
@Catogrande said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Treason is the stopped clock.
The l in that sentence appears to be redundant.
I don't care if he is infrequently right, there is something very bitter about that man.RWC: am wondering if the bookies will change their minds now about Australia and England..
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As i get older, i find more and more comfort in history repeating itself.
My fashionable wife has informed me that superb look for chicks from the 90s of cargo pants and a crop top (best modelled by Gwen Stefani) is on the comeback. With a bit of luck chokers and landing strips are next.
Eddie Jones is once again the coach of the Wallabies, and Rugby Australia is looking to spunk eye-watering amounts of money on backs from Rugby League.
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
As i get older, i find more and more comfort in history repeating itself.
My fashionable wife has informed me that superb look for chicks from the 90s of cargo pants and a crop top (best modelled by Gwen Stefani) is on the comeback. With a bit of luck chokers and landing strips are next.
Almost spat out my coffee.
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Right so Eddie is earning is his coin - already talking about targeting some league players for next year and getting in the public eye.
League boss Peter V'landys has responded:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/18/suaalii-koula-penisini-in-wallabies-sights-but-vlandys-says-stars-wont-switch-for-rugbys-tiktok-tedium/Notable quotes:
But V’landys said any player who does cross codes “can take their mobile phone with them on the field because they’ve got 20 minutes to tweet, Instagram or TikTok” in a dig at the ball-in-play time disparities between the two codes.
Actually that's pretty good
“We wish Eddie the best of luck, and I hope he’s got his mobile phone with him so he can fill that 30 minutes as well,” the Australian Rugby League Commission chair told AAP.
“I’m not concerned, because why would you want to leave the greatest game of all for another game,” V’landys told AAP.
“There is more to it than money. There is also enjoyment and the quality.
“We’ve got the greatest game of all …. people will always want to play the greatest game of all.”
Eddie responded:
https://twitter.com/iainpayten/status/1615949350462697479 -
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
As i get older, i find more and more comfort in history repeating itself.
My fashionable wife has informed me that superb look for chicks from the 90s of cargo pants and a crop top (best modelled by Gwen Stefani) is on the comeback. With a bit of luck chokers and landing strips are next.
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Right so Eddie is earning is his coin - already talking about targeting some league players for next year and getting in the public eye.
League boss Peter V'landys has responded:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/18/suaalii-koula-penisini-in-wallabies-sights-but-vlandys-says-stars-wont-switch-for-rugbys-tiktok-tedium/Notable quotes:
But V’landys said any player who does cross codes “can take their mobile phone with them on the field because they’ve got 20 minutes to tweet, Instagram or TikTok” in a dig at the ball-in-play time disparities between the two codes.
Actually that's pretty good
“We wish Eddie the best of luck, and I hope he’s got his mobile phone with him so he can fill that 30 minutes as well,” the Australian Rugby League Commission chair told AAP.
“I’m not concerned, because why would you want to leave the greatest game of all for another game,” V’landys told AAP.
“There is more to it than money. There is also enjoyment and the quality.
“We’ve got the greatest game of all …. people will always want to play the greatest game of all.”
Eddie responded:
https://twitter.com/iainpayten/status/1615949350462697479@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Right so Eddie is earning is his coin - already talking about targeting some league players for next year and getting in the public eye.
League boss Peter V'landys has responded:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/18/suaalii-koula-penisini-in-wallabies-sights-but-vlandys-says-stars-wont-switch-for-rugbys-tiktok-tedium/Notable quotes:
But V’landys said any player who does cross codes “can take their mobile phone with them on the field because they’ve got 20 minutes to tweet, Instagram or TikTok” in a dig at the ball-in-play time disparities between the two codes.
Actually that's pretty good
“We wish Eddie the best of luck, and I hope he’s got his mobile phone with him so he can fill that 30 minutes as well,” the Australian Rugby League Commission chair told AAP.
“I’m not concerned, because why would you want to leave the greatest game of all for another game,” V’landys told AAP.
“There is more to it than money. There is also enjoyment and the quality.
“We’ve got the greatest game of all …. people will always want to play the greatest game of all.”
Eddie responded:
https://twitter.com/iainpayten/status/1615949350462697479Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
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@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Right so Eddie is earning is his coin - already talking about targeting some league players for next year and getting in the public eye.
League boss Peter V'landys has responded:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/18/suaalii-koula-penisini-in-wallabies-sights-but-vlandys-says-stars-wont-switch-for-rugbys-tiktok-tedium/Notable quotes:
But V’landys said any player who does cross codes “can take their mobile phone with them on the field because they’ve got 20 minutes to tweet, Instagram or TikTok” in a dig at the ball-in-play time disparities between the two codes.
Actually that's pretty good
“We wish Eddie the best of luck, and I hope he’s got his mobile phone with him so he can fill that 30 minutes as well,” the Australian Rugby League Commission chair told AAP.
“I’m not concerned, because why would you want to leave the greatest game of all for another game,” V’landys told AAP.
“There is more to it than money. There is also enjoyment and the quality.
“We’ve got the greatest game of all …. people will always want to play the greatest game of all.”
Eddie responded:
https://twitter.com/iainpayten/status/1615949350462697479Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
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@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
Don't even know who that is, but I'm sure there is a reason.
@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
Don't even know who that is, but I'm sure there is a reason.
He's a prop from NZ who plays for the Storm. When the Tongans defected in 2017 he was the most outspoken against them.
Also, how have you never heard of him? He's likely been discussed on the rugby threads as he comes from a rugby background (well, he is a NZer).
Edit: Apparently he had a meeting with Rennie a couple of years ago.
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@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
Don't even know who that is, but I'm sure there is a reason.
He's a prop from NZ who plays for the Storm. When the Tongans defected in 2017 he was the most outspoken against them.
Also, how have you never heard of him? He's likely been discussed on the rugby threads as he comes from a rugby background (well, he is a NZer).
Edit: Apparently he had a meeting with Rennie a couple of years ago.
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@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
Don't even know who that is, but I'm sure there is a reason.
He's a prop from NZ who plays for the Storm. When the Tongans defected in 2017 he was the most outspoken against them.
Also, how have you never heard of him? He's likely been discussed on the rugby threads as he comes from a rugby background (well, he is a NZer).
Edit: Apparently he had a meeting with Rennie a couple of years ago.
@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Also, how have you never heard of him? He's likely been discussed on the rugby threads as he comes from a rugby background (well, he is a NZer).
:man_shrugging: don't have a photographic memory for NRL players.
I looked up a picture of him and still don't know the bloke, but he looks a little tall for league.
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@NTA said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Nepia said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unsure why he's targeting Nelson Asofa-Solomona though. Seems an outside bet to have a go at NZers.
Don't even know who that is, but I'm sure there is a reason.
He's a prop from NZ who plays for the Storm. When the Tongans defected in 2017 he was the most outspoken against them.
Also, how have you never heard of him? He's likely been discussed on the rugby threads as he comes from a rugby background (well, he is a NZer).
Edit: Apparently he had a meeting with Rennie a couple of years ago.
@Nepia when he didnt want to get vaxxed Rennie asked about availability
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@Nepia I thought he was what brought c4l here and it was pretty much all he talked about for a year or two, until he became just your slightly above average league player.
@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Nepia I thought he was what brought c4l here and it was pretty much all he talked about for a year or two, until he became just your slightly above average league player.
Long answer: I just assumed C4L was created by that stupid Flying Squad that was formed to fluff for the Hammettuer back in the day. I think they took one part Phooey, one part Canerbry, and one part that guy who used to send letters to the Rugby News talking about how great every Cantab player was and then mixed them together but programmed him for the Canes and Wellington instead of the Crusaders.
Short answer: I can't remember but sounds feasible.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
lol great photo of the cup being held by the suitcase it came with!
@bayimports said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
lol great photo of the cup being held by the suitcase it came with!
Ruben James played a blinder.
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@Chris said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
He hasn't been that bad as an International coach of the last 6 Wallaby coaches over the last 21 years he has the 2nd best winning percentage behind John Connolly who only coached for 25 tests compared to Deans 75 tests and has a better winning percentage than Eddie Jones,Ewen McKenzie,Michael Cheika and Dave Rennie
Winning %11 Eddie Jones 2001–2005 57 33 2 1 57.89 %
12 John Connolly 2006–2007 25 16 8 1 64.00%
13 Robbie Deans 2008–2013 75 44 29 2 58.67%
14 Ewen McKenzie 2013–2014 22 11 10 1 50.00%
15 Michael Cheika 2014–2019 68 34 32 2 50.00%
16 Dave Rennie 2020–2023 33 12 18 3 36.36%Not knocking Deans Chris, just think super etc was his level(very good at that too), and maybe man management etc was/is his weakness, especially if you hear and read what former players say, even Dan Carter who has a lot of time for him says he struggles with experienced players who already know the game well.
With your experience at coaching, I would suggest you know the difference skills required as a coach at different levels etc.
Some bloody great club coaches just don't make the step up to NPC etc etc, just different skills etc.@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chris said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
He hasn't been that bad as an International coach of the last 6 Wallaby coaches over the last 21 years he has the 2nd best winning percentage behind John Connolly who only coached for 25 tests compared to Deans 75 tests and has a better winning percentage than Eddie Jones,Ewen McKenzie,Michael Cheika and Dave Rennie
Winning %11 Eddie Jones 2001–2005 57 33 2 1 57.89 %
12 John Connolly 2006–2007 25 16 8 1 64.00%
13 Robbie Deans 2008–2013 75 44 29 2 58.67%
14 Ewen McKenzie 2013–2014 22 11 10 1 50.00%
15 Michael Cheika 2014–2019 68 34 32 2 50.00%
16 Dave Rennie 2020–2023 33 12 18 3 36.36%Not knocking Deans Chris, just think super etc was his level(very good at that too), and maybe man management etc was/is his weakness, especially if you hear and read what former players say, even Dan Carter who has a lot of time for him says he struggles with experienced players who already know the game well.
With your experience at coaching, I would suggest you know the difference skills required as a coach at different levels etc.
Some bloody great club coaches just don't make the step up to NPC etc etc, just different skills etc.Was it that he struggled with experienced players or he had trouble providing critique? I read a passage from his book that he sat down with McGOAT and confided in him.
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@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@NTA Childish moment from Gregan. They went lost to England the next week anyway so wippie-do.
Actually Gregan always said it was only ever aimed at Kelleher, who he disliked, Justin Marshall actually thought it was good as he also thought Kelleher was a piston wristed gibbon, and heard him say those exact words!
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@NTA Childish moment from Gregan. They went lost to England the next week anyway so wippie-do.
Actually Gregan always said it was only ever aimed at Kelleher, who he disliked, Justin Marshall actually thought it was good as he also thought Kelleher was a piston wristed gibbon, and heard him say those exact words!
Yeah what was the beef between those two?
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Seems entirely reasonable of RA to me. Every senior exec contract I’ve seen has a similar clause. As others note, enforceability can be hard, but Rennie would need to actively challenge it
Many companies have stuff they’d like keep private, I can’t see why the Wallabies would be any different.
End of the day he’s getting paid out, I can’t quite accept the argument that it’s affecting his career by somehow making him irrelevant so quickly
As someone said, allowing him to work with a Tier 2 or lower country would be fairly harmless, though you’d rightly expect him to do that for free or to refund RA any earnings offset
@voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Seems entirely reasonable of RA to me. Every senior exec contract I’ve seen has a similar clause. As others note, enforceability can be hard, but Rennie would need to actively challenge it
Many companies have stuff they’d like keep private, I can’t see why the Wallabies would be any different.
End of the day he’s getting paid out, I can’t quite accept the argument that it’s affecting his career by somehow making him irrelevant so quickly
As someone said, allowing him to work with a Tier 2 or lower country would be fairly harmless, though you’d rightly expect him to do that for free or to refund RA any earnings offset
Can Rennie operate as a "volunteer" for the ABs? Not contracted or paid but hold tackle bags? Would his RA contract run that deep legally?
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@voodoo said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Seems entirely reasonable of RA to me. Every senior exec contract I’ve seen has a similar clause. As others note, enforceability can be hard, but Rennie would need to actively challenge it
Many companies have stuff they’d like keep private, I can’t see why the Wallabies would be any different.
End of the day he’s getting paid out, I can’t quite accept the argument that it’s affecting his career by somehow making him irrelevant so quickly
As someone said, allowing him to work with a Tier 2 or lower country would be fairly harmless, though you’d rightly expect him to do that for free or to refund RA any earnings offset
Can Rennie operate as a "volunteer" for the ABs? Not contracted or paid but hold tackle bags? Would his RA contract run that deep legally?
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As i get older, i find more and more comfort in history repeating itself.
My fashionable wife has informed me that superb look for chicks from the 90s of cargo pants and a crop top (best modelled by Gwen Stefani) is on the comeback. With a bit of luck chokers and landing strips are next.
Eddie Jones is once again the coach of the Wallabies, and Rugby Australia is looking to spunk eye-watering amounts of money on backs from Rugby League.
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
As i get older, i find more and more comfort in history repeating itself.
My fashionable wife has informed me that superb look for chicks from the 90s of cargo pants and a crop top (best modelled by Gwen Stefani) is on the comeback. With a bit of luck chokers and landing strips are next.
Eddie Jones is once again the coach of the Wallabies, and Rugby Australia is looking to spunk eye-watering amounts of money on backs from Rugby League.
Yeah that shit is goooooood
