NZ tour of India
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@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
So it will be the Captains making those decisions on selection not Stead.
In NZ? I'd agree for Australia, but do you think that cross the Ta$man?
Yes Mate it is, I do some Coaching clinics with Shane (not Bond)who lives in Qld he is the Black caps bowling coach same structure all around the world England and India are the same
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Yeah it's 100% the captain, the coach is just there to bounce ideas off. Hesson and McCullum worked well together in that regard, differing viewpoints so McCullum was always having his ideas challenged.
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@kiwi_expat I see what you are saying, but it's pretty clear Allen has a bucketload more talent than the blokes you mention. You don't hit Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins out of the attack by fluke, that's one of the GOAT fast bowling lineups of any nation.
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In terms of attacking talent. Finn Allen is, or should be, a generational talent.
Only McCullum and Ryder that I have seen from NZ look to me like they have the ability to hit/attack good bowling as he does. But, he doesn't have nearly the rounded game of those other two. Partly, I'd guess, a factor of modern pathways. he just hasn't played nearly as much longer forms as those of the past while coming up. A 50 over game is like a timeless test to him, can see he is currently pretty hopeless in his decision making in the longer form (I say, laughingly, realising I am talking about 50 over cricket ...)
The next world cup (in India) will be a runs fest compared to the surprisingly decent bowling-'dominated' 2019 world cup in England. So, a last minute fall back to a 'safe' guy like Nicholls won't get anyone very far in the tournament IMO. Young would be better, currently. But, the upside of Allen is potentially quite huge. Young should be in the team at 4 IMO anyway (let alone in this weakened tour squad where he should be 3).
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@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
So it will be the Captains making those decisions on selection not Stead.
In NZ? I'd agree for Australia, but do you think that cross the Ta$man?
Yes Mate it is, I do some Coaching clinics with Shane (not Bond)who lives in Qld he is the Black caps bowling coach same structure all around the world England and India are the same
Cheers
The thing I struggle with us people(spinners) being selected and then the captain not bowling them. Either just pick a batsman, or bowl the damn spinner right?
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@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
So it will be the Captains making those decisions on selection not Stead.
In NZ? I'd agree for Australia, but do you think that cross the Ta$man?
Yes Mate it is, I do some Coaching clinics with Shane (not Bond)who lives in Qld he is the Black caps bowling coach same structure all around the world England and India are the same
Cheers
The thing I struggle with us people(spinners) being selected and then the captain not bowling them. Either just pick a batsman, or bowl the damn spinner right?
Yep totally agree spinners have to bowl lots of overs to get a rhythm if you pick them bowl them.
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For Me, Back to Allen I would be saying to him pick your 3 main scoring zones on length and line if they appear in your hitting zone go hard.Anything else keep on the ground and either punch hard for 2 or 4 or work for one.
A few innings like that and his confidence and Rhythm will come back and he can expand his batting plan. -
Definitely the bowlers let the side down and agree with Chris, that there doesn't seem to be any tactical awareness of the situation and looking ot change within a game. In saying that I thought Ferguson bowled well and given I have thought he hasn't been at his best of late, I thought last nights spell was good (unlucky with wickets).
I don't have a problem with Allen and keeping him on, but I do think we have been missing a trick by not playing Young. Nicholls has to be out of luck in multiple formats (probably means he is due), but I am surprised WIll Young not touring.
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Explain why despite NZ having 3 different captains recently the inane selections have been a constant.
There was an article not long ago (2020) where David White stated that ultimately Stead gets the final say.
Also, you're only proving my point, weak coaches aren't ones to challenge their captain or offer constructive criticism.
If Stead was a stronger coach like Fleming he would've garnered enough respect & authority to challenge his captains.
Do you think England's turnaround after Silverwood got replaced was just a fluke?
There's a NZ coach called Heinrich Malan who got shafted by NZC for Stead despite winning 5 fifty-over trophies with Central Districts & one Super Smash title. Stead won 4 titles with Canterbury and it took him 7 seasons to do so with a stacked Canterbury team at the time. Malan's achievements occurred in 1/2 the time frame and are objectively more impressive.
He's now coaching Ireland to their best results ever. Predictably NZ Cricket settle for mediocrity.
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@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
Explain why despite NZ having 3 different captains recently the inane selections have been a constant.
I also recall reading an article not long ago (2020) where David White stated that ultimately Stead gets the final say.
Also, you're only proving my point, weak coaches aren't ones to challenge their captain or offer constructive criticism.
If Stead was a stronger coach like Fleming he would've garnered enough respect & authority to challenge his captains.
Do you think England's turnaround when Silverwood got replaced was just a fluke?
There's a NZ coach called Heinrich Malan who got shafted by NZC for Stead despite winning 5 fifty-over trophies with Central Districts & one Super Smash title. Stead won 4 titles with Canterbury and it took him 7 seasons to do so with a stacked Canterbury team at the time. Malan's achievements occurred in 1/2 the time frame and are objectively more impressive.
He's now coaching Ireland to their best results ever. Predictably NZ Cricket settle for mediocrity.
Because all 3 are all on the same page as far as selections go, yes I know Heinrich good bloke.I know who he coaches I ran into him at a coaching Forum last year.
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Finn has come out looking far more comfortable than the ODI’s
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10 balls in and the Indians are already getting the umpires to check the ball.
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Another 50 to Conway but he goes shortly after. Hopefully we can get a late flurry of runs from Mitchell and Bracewell.
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@Chris said in NZ tour of India:
Good win for Luke Ronchi as coach for the Indian leg of the tour ,especially after the ODI's being a 3/0 whitewash .
Gary Stead went back home after the Pakistani series.@kiwi_expat hard to blame Stead for selecting Fin Allen in the ODI's v India when he isn't the coach.
