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  • S Steven Harris

    @Winger Josh Taula is an interesting selection , hes is one seriously big human being , saw him playing for the Turbos against the Taniwha last year , is a very physical player could be a great long term addition to the Hurricanes.

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    @Steven-Harris Was he the one playing lock/6?

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      I went to do a delivery of new Mizuno shoes for Caleb Delaney at the new complex in Upper Hutt it’s very flash didn’t see any Canes players but the Nix women had just arrived

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        @Steven-Harris Was he the one playing lock/6?

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        @mikey07 yeah played lock in that game has a similar haircut to TK Howden

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          #731

          Article on Aumua and Coles

          https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

          While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

          “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

          “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

          “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

          Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

          “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

          “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

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            Article on Aumua and Coles

            https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

            While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

            “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

            “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

            “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

            Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

            “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

            “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

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            @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

            Article on Aumua and Coles

            https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

            While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

            “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

            “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

            “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

            Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

            “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

            “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

            The Canes will need these two to be fit for the majority of the campaign if we are a chance.

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            • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

              @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

              Article on Aumua and Coles

              https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

              While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

              “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

              “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

              “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

              Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

              “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

              “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

              The Canes will need these two to be fit for the majority of the campaign if we are a chance.

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              @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

              @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

              Article on Aumua and Coles

              https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

              While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

              “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

              “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

              “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

              Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

              “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

              “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

              The Canes will need these two to be fit for the majority of the campaign if we are a chance.

              Agree.

              Is Devery out for some time. And what's happened to O'Reilly. And surprised we don't have another good backup with Coles so injury prone but maybe they don't exist now

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                @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

                Article on Aumua and Coles

                https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/corey-jane-on-the-ball-of-muscle-ready-to-steamroll-back-into-the-all-blacks/ar-AA17lC5r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b312837518544dadba0af7587439eed1

                While Aumua’s X-factor was never questioned, his ability to execute at set piece time has been his achilles heel. However, consistent minutes in last season’s NPC showcased Aumua’s growth in that area and could see him challenge Hurricanes teammate Dane Coles for the third hooker spot in the World Cup squad.

                “I don’t know what goes on with the All Blacks but man, he trains his ass off when he’s with us,” Corey Jane said of Aumua on The Platform.

                “Like I said it could be different with the All Blacks but when he’s here, you get into some tackle drills and he’s 100 percent every single time and he kind of makes everyone around him have to get to that level. Otherwise, being the ball of muscle he is, he’s going to hurt someone.

                “Just that kind of stuff rubs off on everyone around him.”

                Dane Coles will suit up for his final season of rugby with the Hurricanes this year and looks to be showing no signs of easing into retirement, taking the preseason trainings by storm.

                “He is so awesome, he’s been so good in this preseason, especially this month we’ve just had after Christmas. He looks like a 21-year-old, he’s flying around everyone, we have to tell him to calm down because he’s just trying to get into everything.

                “He’s had some tough injuries that are frustrating but again, he’s had an outstanding career and if you look at different players throughout eternity, that have played in sports and especially if we look at rugby, he changed the way that the hooker plays. Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick, he went out wide and (was) scoring tries but just how dynamic he (Coles) was as a hooker around the field and he changed the mould that everyone started to look for, a hooker that could do that...

                The Canes will need these two to be fit for the majority of the campaign if we are a chance.

                Agree.

                Is Devery out for some time. And what's happened to O'Reilly. And surprised we don't have another good backup with Coles so injury prone but maybe they don't exist now

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                @Winger No news about Devery from the Canes at all and media not asking the question, so who knows? We only know that he's injured because he posted that photo.

                I vaguely remember reading (several months ago) that O'Reilly needed surgery, but maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

                The backup for Coles and Aumua exists, but they need to earn a living and decided to do that overseas.

                Kianu Kereru-Symes has gone to the MLR and Siua Maile to Italy. No doubt KK-S will return for NPC; Maile probably not.

                Tuputupu still very young and yet to return from injury.

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                • StargazerS Stargazer

                  @Winger No news about Devery from the Canes at all and media not asking the question, so who knows? We only know that he's injured because he posted that photo.

                  I vaguely remember reading (several months ago) that O'Reilly needed surgery, but maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

                  The backup for Coles and Aumua exists, but they need to earn a living and decided to do that overseas.

                  Kianu Kereru-Symes has gone to the MLR and Siua Maile to Italy. No doubt KK-S will return for NPC; Maile probably not.

                  Tuputupu still very young and yet to return from injury.

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                  @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:

                  @Winger No news about Devery from the Canes at all and media not asking the question, so who knows? We only know that he's injured because he posted that photo.

                  I vaguely remember reading (several months ago) that O'Reilly needed surgery, but maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

                  The backup for Coles and Aumua exists, but they need to earn a living and decided to do that overseas.

                  Kianu Kereru-Symes has gone to the MLR and Siua Maile to Italy. No doubt KK-S will return for NPC; Maile probably not.

                  Tuputupu still very young and yet to return from injury.

                  There’s also Vernon Bason who’s been earmarked for a bright future but he’s also very young, younger than Tuputupu I think.

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                    Bason only left school last year. The Poo have heaps of young hookers. Ben Strang is another, currently playing in MLR.

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                      @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                      https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

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                        @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                        https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

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                        @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                        @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                        https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                        Coaches look huge compared to the players

                        Except for the last row except for Blackwell who looks a midget. It looks sort of funny but surely they could size them all the same FFS,

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                          @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                          @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                          https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                          Coaches look huge compared to the players

                          Except for the last row except for Blackwell who looks a midget. It looks sort of funny but surely they could size them all the same FFS,

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                          @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

                          @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                          @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                          https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                          Coaches look huge compared to the players

                          Except for the last row except for Blackwell who looks a midget. It looks sort of funny but surely they could size them all the same FFS,

                          Fitting giants like Ardie into the same frame as normal height people is difficult

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                            Someone forgot to tell Cooper Flanders that you're not supposed to smile for the camera. He's the only player showing his teeth. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

                            Rookies.

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                              @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                              @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                              https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                              Coaches look huge compared to the players

                              Except for the last row except for Blackwell who looks a midget. It looks sort of funny but surely they could size them all the same FFS,

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                              @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

                              @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                              @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                              https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                              Coaches look huge compared to the players. Except for the last row except for Blackwell who looks a midget.

                              They don't call Jamie Mackintosh the Whopper for nothing.

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                                @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

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                                @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                                39b9a36b-7c28-40e4-878f-814311307230-image.png

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                                  @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                  @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                  https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                                  39b9a36b-7c28-40e4-878f-814311307230-image.png

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                                  @antipodean said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                  @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                  @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                  https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                                  39b9a36b-7c28-40e4-878f-814311307230-image.png

                                  Either follow the link above or search editorial.

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                                    @antipodean said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                    @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                    @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                    https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                                    39b9a36b-7c28-40e4-878f-814311307230-image.png

                                    Either follow the link above or search editorial.

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                                    @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                    @antipodean said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                    @Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                    @Stargazer no Devery in these shots so doesn't sound good.

                                    https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/photos/hurricanes-rugby?assettype=image&editorialproducts=sport&family=editorial&phrase=hurricanes rugby&sort=newest&events=775898035

                                    39b9a36b-7c28-40e4-878f-814311307230-image.png

                                    Either follow the link above or search editorial.

                                    It's just a dig that Getty's thinks Hurricanes Rugby isn't creative.

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                                      The fact Jason Holland still mentions Prinsep in the below article is a massive worry. WTF does Holland even see in that guy? He's just so damn mediocre, a bit like Holland's selections last year.

                                      Holland quotes: "Pete's going well, Brayden [Iose], Devan [Flanders], you've still got your Reed Prinseps your Ardie Saveas and your Du'Plessis Kirifis and your TK Howdens.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/he-s-a-special-kid-rookie-phenom-lakai-makes-excellent-first-impression-with-hurricanes/ar-AA17u52o?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ea3fbc1f2c8f43139cb91945906da082

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                                      • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                        The fact Jason Holland still mentions Prinsep in the below article is a massive worry. WTF does Holland even see in that guy? He's just so damn mediocre, a bit like Holland's selections last year.

                                        Holland quotes: "Pete's going well, Brayden [Iose], Devan [Flanders], you've still got your Reed Prinseps your Ardie Saveas and your Du'Plessis Kirifis and your TK Howdens.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/he-s-a-special-kid-rookie-phenom-lakai-makes-excellent-first-impression-with-hurricanes/ar-AA17u52o?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ea3fbc1f2c8f43139cb91945906da082

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                                        @Canes4life
                                        Priñsep was his starter when fit so guess he rates him so will mention him. But hope someone else steps up at 6.

                                        Is delany injured

                                        I expect to see priñsep starting in the first game along with Blackwell. It won't change until Holland leaves. And even with a new coach if Gibbes remains it still might not. Unless it's prinsep last year

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                                          @Canes4life
                                          Priñsep was his starter when fit so guess he rates him so will mention him. But hope someone else steps up at 6.

                                          Is delany injured

                                          I expect to see priñsep starting in the first game along with Blackwell. It won't change until Holland leaves. And even with a new coach if Gibbes remains it still might not. Unless it's prinsep last year

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                                          @Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:

                                          @Canes4life
                                          Priñsep was his starter when fit so guess he rates him so will mention him. But hope someone else steps up at 6.

                                          Is delany injured

                                          I expect to see priñsep starting in the first game along with Blackwell. It won't change until Holland leaves. And even with a new coach if Gibbes remains it still might not. Unless it's prinsep last year

                                          Both Delany and Howden are better than Prinsep. Delany thoroughly outplayed Prinsep in the NPC final, plus I would also have Flanders shift to 6 before selecting Prinsep.

                                          You're right though, Prinsep seems like Holland's teachers pet. Hopefully they both move on at season's end.

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