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2023 Super Rugby U20s

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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    @Bovidae So that means that teams will again play only 3 games (and no play-offs). Teams will not play all other teams, meaning that a lot will depend on luck of the draw. Not good IMO.

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    @Stargazer

    Yes, it appears to be a missed opportunity to expand/lengthen the tournament. And as I said previously, might mean the end of the Barbarians team participating.

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      So, two franchises have published their SR U20 wider training group now:

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        https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-u20-wider-squad-named/

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          A couple of familiar names to me in the Crusaders squad.

          George Reeves was the Hamilton BHS no.8 in 2021. From farming stock so likely at Lincoln.
          Brodie Robinson was the starting left wing last year. He's tall and fast, and was in the Barbarians U18s. I thought he would stay in the Waikato but obviously not.

          Hopefully the other wider squads are released too.

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            A couple of familiar names to me in the Crusaders squad.

            George Reeves was the Hamilton BHS no.8 in 2021. From farming stock so likely at Lincoln.
            Brodie Robinson was the starting left wing last year. He's tall and fast, and was in the Barbarians U18s. I thought he would stay in the Waikato but obviously not.

            Hopefully the other wider squads are released too.

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            @Bovidae There are quite a few players who attended schools in the Chiefs region, and a few from the Blues and Hurricanes region. I'm really disappointed Hawke's Bay has lost Gus Brown to - I assume - Canterbury.

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              @Bovidae There are quite a few players who attended schools in the Chiefs region, and a few from the Blues and Hurricanes region. I'm really disappointed Hawke's Bay has lost Gus Brown to - I assume - Canterbury.

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              @Stargazer I had overlooked that Moses McGoon is listed too. A prop.

              Dawson Smith was there last year (went to St Peter's Cambridge). Paenga-Morgan went to St Paul's and GBHS.

              As to Brown, it will depend on whether he signed a contract with HB before the Crusaders got him. Kemara, signed for Waikato while still at school, for example.

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                @Stargazer I had overlooked that Moses McGoon is listed too. A prop.

                Dawson Smith was there last year (went to St Peter's Cambridge). Paenga-Morgan went to St Paul's and GBHS.

                As to Brown, it will depend on whether he signed a contract with HB before the Crusaders got him. Kemara, signed for Waikato while still at school, for example.

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                @Bovidae Harry Boyle also attended St Peter's; Jae Broomfield and Anaru Paenga-Morgan went to St Paul's (APM was already in the Crusaders U20, last year), Penisimani Fihaki comes from Rotorua BHS.

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                  https://www.blues.rugby/blues-rugby-news/u20-wider-squad

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                    On paper, the Blues should have a very strong team with heaps of NZ U19 and NZ Schools/Barbarians players.

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                      The first indication of the Chiefs U20 team.

                      Chiefs U20
                      1 Manahi Goulton
                      2 Taine Kolosi (VC)
                      3 Gabe Robinson
                      4 Fiti Sa (C)
                      5 Zinzan Hansen
                      6 Andrew Smith
                      7 Jonty Short
                      8 Senita Lauaki
                      9. Marley Murphy
                      10 Josh Penney (VC)
                      11 Esau Filimoehala
                      12 Aki Tuivailala
                      13 Cody Vai
                      14 Waisake Salabiau
                      15 Brayden Drew

                      Reserves
                      16. Kaleb Saxon
                      17. Nicolas Muli
                      18. William Martin
                      19. Perry Lawerence
                      20. Keran Van Staden
                      21. Tommy Hamilton
                      22. Xavier Saifoloi
                      23. Peter Te Kahu
                      24. Taeao Pomale-Time
                      25. Grady Forbes
                      26. Tai Cribb
                      27. Cohen Brady Leathem
                      28. Kanavale Helu
                      29. Jack Harding
                      30. Te Hamana Te Aute
                      31. Fatiauma Moeahu-Leota
                      32. Josh Radcliff

                      https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/chiefs-u20-squad-to-play-development-xv

                      Edit: There are some players missing that I would expect to be in the final squad like:

                      Jole Naufahu
                      Cody Nordstrom (in the Dev team)
                      Toby Taylor
                      Malachi Wrampling-Alec

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        The first indication of the Chiefs U20 team.

                        Chiefs U20
                        1 Manahi Goulton
                        2 Taine Kolosi (VC)
                        3 Gabe Robinson
                        4 Fiti Sa (C)
                        5 Zinzan Hansen
                        6 Andrew Smith
                        7 Jonty Short
                        8 Senita Lauaki
                        9. Marley Murphy
                        10 Josh Penney (VC)
                        11 Esau Filimoehala
                        12 Aki Tuivailala
                        13 Cody Vai
                        14 Waisake Salabiau
                        15 Brayden Drew

                        Reserves
                        16. Kaleb Saxon
                        17. Nicolas Muli
                        18. William Martin
                        19. Perry Lawerence
                        20. Keran Van Staden
                        21. Tommy Hamilton
                        22. Xavier Saifoloi
                        23. Peter Te Kahu
                        24. Taeao Pomale-Time
                        25. Grady Forbes
                        26. Tai Cribb
                        27. Cohen Brady Leathem
                        28. Kanavale Helu
                        29. Jack Harding
                        30. Te Hamana Te Aute
                        31. Fatiauma Moeahu-Leota
                        32. Josh Radcliff

                        https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/chiefs-u20-squad-to-play-development-xv

                        Edit: There are some players missing that I would expect to be in the final squad like:

                        Jole Naufahu
                        Cody Nordstrom (in the Dev team)
                        Toby Taylor
                        Malachi Wrampling-Alec

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                        @Bovidae So, not Max Radcliffe in the Chiefs U20s, either. That leaves the Highlanders U20s as the only remaining U20 team of which we don't have a clue who's in it. Max isn't in the HB Academy team, nor in the Hurricanes U20s. As one of the players standing out in 1st XV rugby, last year, and member of the Māori U18 team, I'd expect to see him named in one of the squads. Can't imagine him no longer playing after school or not being picked.

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                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                          @Bovidae So, not Max Radcliffe in the Chiefs U20s, either. That leaves the Highlanders U20s as the only remaining U20 team of which we don't have a clue who's in it. Max isn't in the HB Academy team, nor in the Hurricanes U20s. As one of the players standing out in 1st XV rugby, last year, and member of the Māori U18 team, I'd expect to see him named in one of the squads. Can't imagine him no longer playing after school or not being picked.

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                          @Stargazer Without knowing who is unavailable through injury it's hard to know where player X is if they aren't named in a squad and no injured list is also released.

                          I've decided to go and watch the Chiefs game as the weather has improved.

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                            @Stargazer Without knowing who is unavailable through injury it's hard to know where player X is if they aren't named in a squad and no injured list is also released.

                            I've decided to go and watch the Chiefs game as the weather has improved.

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                            @Bovidae Yeah, and with the situation in Hawke's Bay, Max could be shoveling mud etc as well.

                            It's a pity the Chiefs and Highlanders haven't published a list of their U20 WTGs.

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                              @Bovidae Yeah, and with the situation in Hawke's Bay, Max could be shoveling mud etc as well.

                              It's a pity the Chiefs and Highlanders haven't published a list of their U20 WTGs.

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                              Manahi Goulton - Hawke's Bay Under 16, 2019, from Hastings BHS

                              Max Radcliffe is at Otago University.

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                                Manahi Goulton - Hawke's Bay Under 16, 2019, from Hastings BHS

                                Max Radcliffe is at Otago University.

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                                @Number-10 Thanks for that info! That confirms what I suspected (move to Dunedin). Hopefully, if Max proves to be good enough for NPC (or higher), he'll follow the path of Weber, G Evans and C McLeod and returns to Hawke's Bay after his studies.

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  @Number-10 Thanks for that info! That confirms what I suspected (move to Dunedin). Hopefully, if Max proves to be good enough for NPC (or higher), he'll follow the path of Weber, G Evans and C McLeod and returns to Hawke's Bay after his studies.

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                                  @Stargazer

                                  As you have previously recorded Gus Brown is at Canterbury - was always destined for Canterbury Univ which is why HB could not keep him.

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                                    Manahi Goulton - Hawke's Bay Under 16, 2019, from Hastings BHS

                                    Max Radcliffe is at Otago University.

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                                    @Number-10 said in 2023 Super Rugby U20s:

                                    Manahi Goulton - Hawke's Bay Under 16, 2019, from Hastings BHS

                                    He was in the Waikato U19s last year.

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                                      @Stargazer

                                      As you have previously recorded Gus Brown is at Canterbury - was always destined for Canterbury Univ which is why HB could not keep him.

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                                      @Number-10 The curse of being a smaller province without a university. :confused_face: It's frustrating if it's some of the better 1st XV players that are leaving.

                                      I can't remember Goulton at all, by the way, but with Hastings BHS not publishing their team lists the last few years and at the time, not all games being streamed, I guess some players can slip under the radar (well, mine at least). After a quick google, a photo on Facebook suggests he also played for HB U16s in 2018. In 2019, he was named in the Hurricanes U16 Tournament team. In 2017, he played for the HB U14 team.
                                      Also, I can find him in articles about Hastings BHS 1st XV from 2019 and 2020, but not 2021. 2020 seems to be his last year at school, as he played club rugby for Tamatea in 2021. Interestingly, he still played club rugby in Hawke's Bay (Tamatea) in May 2022, so he must have moved to Hamilton during or after the HB club rugby season.

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                                        According to the Club Rugby website, there's a preseason game between Chiefs U20 and Hurricanes U20, tomorrow.
                                        Location: Owen Delany Park, Taupō. Kick-off time TBC.

                                        Next Saturday (11 March), there will be a preseason game between Hurricanes U20 and Crusaders U20. Location and k/o time TBC.

                                        Tomorrow's Hurricanes U20 - if this info is correct - won't be full strength because a few U20 players are playing for the Hurricanes Hunters, today. I can't imagine them playing for both teams on consecutive days.

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                                          Hopefully they (Chiefs and Hurricanes) publish the teams playing. The Chiefs U20s had a large number of players involved in the game against the Chiefs Dev team, but there were also plenty of absentees.

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