Moana Pasifika v Chiefs
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Great 2nd half from MP ,glad the scoreline did’nt blow out as a few were predicting
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@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Jailbreak7 said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah Think Moana have had a lot of help from the ref team this half. Not helping the cause of rugby actually.
I was just about to say that on the aggregate, the Chiefs have not been judged the same. Having said that, the replacements have done a lot of super dumb shit.
Don’t disagree but fuck Gardner is frustrating. Has been looking to punish the Chiefs all half. Ratima for only retreating 9.875 metres. Gatland for trying to catch a pass ….
MP have been cleaning out well beyond the ruck and coming in from the side. Gardner doesn't give a fuck.
This^
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@Yeetyaah said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I think Donk has pulled players a little too early. Kinda shows that if the Chiefs have a few injuries to some key players then they'll struggle.
You could say that about any side to be fair.
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@Jailbreak7 its a tactic the Chiefs used with great effect under Rennies watch
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@Crucial
[Only penalize a clear and deliberate attempt to knock the ball forward, without trying to regain possession. Can be escalated to yellow and/or penalty try if it denies a probable try or is judged to be an extremely cynical action denying a clear line break opportunity.If the actions of the Player demonstrated no intent to catch the ball, it should be deemed a deliberate knock on and sanctioned with a penalty only. Yellow Cards would be reserved for extremely cynical actions that prevented a clear try scoring opportunity or line break opportunity.](https://super.rugby/superrugby/documents/media-files/super-rugby-pacific-2023-law-modifications/?utm_source=SANZAAR+Media+%26+Judicial&utm_campaign=254040b178-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_05_14_01_09_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_03e5f75ecc-254040b178-332696173)
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@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
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@Yeetyaah said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
Any ideas if Moana would face some disciplinary action from putting an extra man out there when they weren't supposed to? Say what you will about the rule but at the end of the day it's still a rule.
I think the refs got it wrong when they denied the replacement. That bloke was clearly in need of a head check and Gardner discouraged the med staff from checking him on field by saying that if he needed more attention he would have to leave. Messy as he had a physical injury as well as a knock.
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@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy the TMO tried to steer the ref to seeing the very clear and obvious attempt to regather but the ref fell back to the old way of rule no as “not in a position to regather”
He did try to regather but was in no position to catch it as he'd whacked at the ball with an uncontrolled action. I'd have more sympathy if he'd made a genuine attempt with 'soft hands'.
Is it still an attempt to regather if a player batters the ball away and sticks their hands up in a catching motion - but the ball is 10m down the field? Or is the law more aimed at the players that actually regather it but then knock it on.
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@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
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@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
The deliberate infringement is trying to block the pass instead of trying to catch the ball.
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@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
The deliberate infringement is trying to block the pass instead of trying to catch the ball.
Isn’t the infringement in question a deliberate knock on?
Where does it say you can’t block a pass?
To me deliberate means having intent. I say his intent was to intercept the ball.
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@Gunner said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
The deliberate infringement is trying to block the pass instead of trying to catch the ball.
Isn’t the infringement in question a deliberate knock on?
Where does it say you can’t block a pass?
To me deliberate means having intent. I say his intent was to intercept the ball.
My point exactly. There’s nothing illegal in blocking a pass.
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Deliberate Knock-On - the most (?) poorly described infringement, but...
- I believe the intention of the law - was to avoid fluffybunnies running up and blocking passes, a shit tactic which easily kills attacking rugby
- Do we really want people to be able to run up into the attacking line, and just block passes? We might as well do away with wingers.
- This law - in my optimistic mind - was intended to allow genuine intercepts, but discourage pricks just batting the ball out of the air. ie: make it more than just a "knock-on"... as that is simply not a deterrent in that scenario.
- The naming of it - shit
- The implementation of it, to date - shit
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@Gunner said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
The deliberate infringement is trying to block the pass instead of trying to catch the ball.
Isn’t the infringement in question a deliberate knock on?
Where does it say you can’t block a pass?
In the laws. If someone throws a pass, you either let it go or intercept it. Blocking it isn't an intercept, so you're left with?
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@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Gunner said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
@Toddy said in Moana Pasifika v Chiefs:
I thought it was a good call against Gatland. He put his arm up in a hail mary action. Didn't look controlled at all.
The fact he got a second go at it is IMO immaterial. The first action wasn't an attempt to intercept. That he was the last defender resulted in a deserved penalty try.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think it was clearly anything but putting his hands up (not reaching out) to block the pass. He is entitled to do that and because the ball bounced forward he tried to regather. There’s no deliberate infringement in that action
The deliberate infringement is trying to block the pass instead of trying to catch the ball.
Isn’t the infringement in question a deliberate knock on?
Where does it say you can’t block a pass?
In the laws. If someone throws a pass, you either let it go or intercept it. Blocking it isn't an intercept, so you're left with?
So if I run into the passing lane and it hits me in the head is that illegal in your laws (I’m guessing that they are yours as they aren’t the real ones)?
