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This seems to be the place for transgender activism. (Might update the thread title to reflect a wider scope.)
Have kept a passing eye on Kelly-Jay Keen's visit to Aus and NZ this past week or so.
NZ has pretty much disgraced ourselves by allowing a violent mob to drum her out of the Country in fear for her life.
The reporting has all pretty much been how she's a homophobic Neo Nazi sympathiser who is trying to drum up violence against the poor marginalised trans community, and how it's good her brand of "hate" is being shut down.
She frames it as protecting women's rights (allowing self identifying men into change rooms, prisons & sports etc, the corruption of language and more).
Context: I agree with a lot of her positions, but I don't necessarily think she's very good at putting her point across in a debate.
To my mind her point that there is something sinister about the "Trans" supportoing "community" has been proved by this latest debacle.
Am really quite disgusted that NZ has shown such intolerance and hatred for ideas and that mob rule has won out.
Peace and love wins every time, as long as my violent crowd can intimidate you nto submission.
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Sounds a bit like the situation in Scotland with J K Rowling being called wore names than that and receiving death threats for wanting woman only spaces
She pretty much won the debate after Scottish Parliament passed a law allowing anyone to officially change gender and a serial rapist/sex offender self-identified as a woman to get sent to a women's jail. The sheer ludicrousness & stupidity of that pro-trans debate exploded on first exposure to reality.
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@Victor-Meldrew yeah, KJK is a Pom and part of the same general movement/groundswell
And am aware of Sturgeon's stupidity. I'm pretty sure her main goal was to try to engineer intervention by the UK government to stir up nationalist fervour, whilst appearing uber woke. Backfired somewhat.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Backfired somewhat.
Understatement. Good thing was it just highlighted the sheer stupidity of much of the pro-trans debate - hopefully that debate can now take place in a more mature way.
Edit: The "Prime Minister Chris Hipkins also weighed in, saying he condemned people who abused their right to freedom of speech to “create division” comment is a classic. As if lawfully expressing a view others disagree with is divisive.
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@booboo yeah, very shameful day for NZ allowing that to happen. The media are despicable as well, constantly framing her as an "anti transgender activist supported by neo-nazis". The media aren't beholden to the activists, they are the activists.
The optics of that are insane as well. A small group of women gathered to talk about women's rights, and they were attacked by a mob of mostly biological men, and the police did nothing to protect them. Just crazy.
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@Victor-Meldrew the pollies weighing in on this is just another issue of many I didn't mention in my initial rant.
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo yeah, very shameful day for NZ allowing that to happen. The media are despicable as well, constantly framing her as an "anti transgender activist supported by neo-nazis". The media aren't beholden to the activists, they are the activists.
The optics of that are insane as well. A small group of women gathered to talk about women's rights, and they were attacked by a mob of mostly biological men, and the police did nothing to protect them. Just crazy.
agree with you. for me this was one of the most shameful weeks in nz history
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hope this works https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639443651293220864
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo Free speech is alive and well - provided you’re on the left of centre.
The western world is sleepwalking into a nightmare.
It astonishes me how quickly hard won freedom gets binned and justified when it aligns with someone's personal viewpoint. I dipped into Reddit, where people argued that throwing tomato juice over someone wasn't violence or assault, and was perfectly justified. The issue for me is precedent and escalation; I'll bet throwing a dildo that hits Grant Robertson, or tomato juice over Jacinda Adern wouldn't be seen as funny or OK.
Free speech for speech you agree with is not free speech. Free speech for people you fundamentally disagree with is important and healthy. Like a lot of things, I get the sense this won't end well.
Edit: and escalation; once one side starts using physicality, you expect it and bring a proportionately bigger presence to the next rally. It's a spiral of shittiness that won't end well for anyone.
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As far I can tell the Spinoff , Stuff, the Herald and Newshub did a fantastic job………of destroying what little trust the public had left in them .
Contrast their coverage of this with their coverage of the parliament protests last year for a start . Also smearing her as a Nazi helped whip up the violence we saw yesterday.
The trans men involved like Shaleel Lal backed up my impression that 10% of trans men are actually trans and the rest are basically narcissistic misogynistic bullies . The glee they showed while pushing apart the barriers and mobbing a tiny middle aged woman was actually quite disturbing to watch .
Chloe Swarbrick and Marama Davidson managed to come out looking the worst of all of our MPs , hardly surprising really. Plenty of others soiled themselves though .
The rest of the world seems to have peak transed and the countries like Sweden and Finland that were the first to cave to the excesses of trans activists are changing their laws back and banning the sterilisation of children. I fear we’ll be the last to that particular party if this weekend is anything to go by.
Not a great look for NZ , if you visit the Pure NZ twitter page it’s basically tweet after tweet from women overseas pointing out what a misogynistic shithole NZ is if our government and media condone what happened and the police didn’t intervene . Hard to disagree with them to be honest because I’m yet to see anyone in our media or government condemn what took place yesterday.
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Let’s call it like it is
They’re just a bunch of fluffybunnies, which is ironic seeing as they don’t have one
Perhaps that’s the first stage of transformation
The youth have their knickers in a twist about how people of my age - +55 and above - have and are continuing to destroy the planet
This is the shit they should be up in arms about ffs
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@MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Let’s call it like it is
They’re just a bunch of fluffybunnies, which is ironic seeing as they don’t have one
Perhaps that’s the first stage of transformation
The youth have their knickers in a twist about how people of my age - +55 and above - have and are continuing to destroy the planet
This is the shit they should be up in arms about ffs
As well as the thuggish behaviour the selfishness of it gets me too, imagine what gay rights groups in countries where they have less rights than here think when they see this stuff . The wifi password community here is effectively giving the anti lbgt movements overseas ammunition to use against them
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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Oh ffs , the absolute state of this
The old "violence is OK as long as it isn't physical" argument - as used by masked fascists and domestic abusers everywhere.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
