Super Rugby 2023
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Have to admit I haven't seen the tackle, Duluth's link is to a presciption page and I missed it on game on tv. Was it pretty bad? I do agree Swinton seems an idiot, and why Jones has him in Wallabies squad is strange.
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Have to admit I haven't seen the tackle, Duluth's link is to a presciption page and I missed it on game on tv. Was it pretty bad? I do agree Swinton seems an idiot, and why Jones has him in Wallabies squad is strange.
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Have to admit I haven't seen the tackle, Duluth's link is to a presciption page and I missed it on game on tv. Was it pretty bad? I do agree Swinton seems an idiot, and why Jones has him in Wallabies squad is strange.
I was a straight out league shoulder charge to the head. He could see exactly what he was doing the whole time and has even been given benefit of doubt that he didn't deliberately target the head (referred to as reckless).
Eddie has a propensity to have nigglers in his teams. Has always encouraged one or two players to be feral. -
Not sure if many others are feeling this way but its the first time that i am really struggling to stay engaged with Super Rugby , there have been very few games that have held my attention for the full 80
The quality of the NZ teams looks way down on what we had directly after Covid when there was very little between all 5 NZ sides ,The Highlanders look like a very beatable team for Aussie opposition , and the Blues and the Canes look like also rans , the Crusaders have looked a shadow of themselves with the injuries but i would not write them off with all their returning players , credit to the Chiefs , but i am wondering about the overall quality , compared to what we are seeing out the NH i really do fear for the quality of rugby down this neck of the woods
thank god for club rugby but even that side of the game has some massive problems@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2023:
Not sure if many others are feeling this way but its the first time that i am really struggling to stay engaged with Super Rugby , there have been very few games that have held my attention for the full 80
Yep. Not planning to take a season ticket next year for the first time in 16 years, not bothered watching games most weekend - basically I'm on the verge of finding another hobby. THe product at the moment is really not good, international isn't much better - I think the laws, the refs and the tactics are just all a bit average.
I know a few people who are at varoius stages of turning off as well. What should worry NZR is that most of them have been rugbyheads for bloody ages - but they just can't be bothered any more.
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2023:
Not sure if many others are feeling this way but its the first time that i am really struggling to stay engaged with Super Rugby , there have been very few games that have held my attention for the full 80
Yep. Not planning to take a season ticket next year for the first time in 16 years, not bothered watching games most weekend - basically I'm on the verge of finding another hobby. THe product at the moment is really not good, international isn't much better - I think the laws, the refs and the tactics are just all a bit average.
I know a few people who are at varoius stages of turning off as well. What should worry NZR is that most of them have been rugbyheads for bloody ages - but they just can't be bothered any more.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2023:
Not sure if many others are feeling this way but its the first time that i am really struggling to stay engaged with Super Rugby , there have been very few games that have held my attention for the full 80
Yep. Not planning to take a season ticket next year for the first time in 16 years, not bothered watching games most weekend - basically I'm on the verge of finding another hobby. THe product at the moment is really not good, international isn't much better - I think the laws, the refs and the tactics are just all a bit average.
I know a few people who are at varoius stages of turning off as well. What should worry NZR is that most of them have been rugbyheads for bloody ages - but they just can't be bothered any more.
Yep. I am another one who is no longer motivated to travel to super matches. They just don't seem to care about the diehard fans any more. Just trying gimmicks to attract new fans.
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Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and usually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators. -
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and usually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.@Dan54 Respect your comment but if the diehards fall away then your game has got a massive problem
You cant paper over what we are watching , most games are a very tough watch and we are up to Round 9 , none of the upcoming weekend games hold any interest for me whatsover , it all looks a bit tame -
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and usually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators. -
@Dan54 Respect your comment but if the diehards fall away then your game has got a massive problem
You cant paper over what we are watching , most games are a very tough watch and we are up to Round 9 , none of the upcoming weekend games hold any interest for me whatsover , it all looks a bit tame@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 Respect your comment but if the diehards fall away then your game has got a massive problem
You cant paper over what we are watching , most games are a very tough watch and we are up to Round 9 , none of the upcoming weekend games hold any interest for me whatsover , it all looks a bit tameTrue. I don't really see much hope for improvement in the future either.
People I know who were once big-time rugby followers have totally lost interest now. One is not even interested in the scores of the big (Blues vs Crusaders for eg) matches. Result of poor management in both countries. Lost interest with one team always winning, top players being removed. Aust teams being so poor etc.
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Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and usually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and usually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.Nothing changed for me either. Still enjoy watching rugby as before, from 1st XV level to test rugby, with NPC being the pinnacle.
I also still remember how positive everyone was after the first few weeks of SRP, this year. How everyone enjoyed how the ball was in play more, less time wasting etc. That has been quickly forgotten. Why?
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Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
They could also help by improving the scheduling. More day games, ditching the Super Round, byes more spread out, cut finals teams to 6 max and marquee matches more spread out.
We're halfway through the comp and Brumbies have only played one traditional NZ team (on a neutral site, and won).
There are 3 really interesting games next weekend (Blues in Fiji, Chiefs-Crusaders and Canes-Brumbies), would be nice if one of them was this weekend for example.
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Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
They could also help by improving the scheduling. More day games, ditching the Super Round, byes more spread out, cut finals teams to 6 max and marquee matches more spread out.
We're halfway through the comp and Brumbies have only played one traditional NZ team (on a neutral site, and won).
There are 3 really interesting games next weekend (Blues in Fiji, Chiefs-Crusaders and Canes-Brumbies), would be nice if one of them was this weekend for example.
@KiwiMurph Brumbies lost to the Crusaders away. Sent a B team but I believe it still technically counts.
Doubt you'll see the Tahs improving any time soon as all the hallowed GPS schools are turning to AFL (who would've thought elitism would come back to hurt the sport?) plus the club scene is a mess. Most rugby talent is produced in Queensland these days and the Reds are an absolute basket case and have been for the entirety of SR except for a few standout seasons. Plus Dolphins are encroaching in on some of the traditional rugby nurseries up north. So don't look for any improvements there.
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@Dan54 you're hearing from long term rugby people who do season passes falling away. Great that you still love it, but it's a stretch to call others sour
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 you're hearing from long term rugby people who do season passes falling away. Great that you still love it, but it's a stretch to call others sour
Understand that mate, and sourpuss remark was real tongue in cheek, I know people are dropping off and have always done so, it's not actually new. I have brothers who went to rep games, tests etc all the time during 70s and 80s, but kind of generally drifted away from game somewhat as it got more and more of it on tv. They made no bones, they still watch a bit, but they had done 50 years of following it pretty hard and just drifted off. They still watch a bit on tv etc, just not like they did way back. I have mates who did same with cricket, jsu drifted off game as life changed etc, mates in Aus had done same with NRL etc. Most sports are caught in the professional trap, they need a shit load on tv to pay bills, and so some get over it.
As I said I still go tp heaps, and find probably the most enjoyable stuff is where you go to local stuff and stand on sidelines, enjoy the game with other likeminded people. Also think to many get caught up on results and forget to enjoy game.
But that's just me and the likes of Stargazer probably, -
Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
They could also help by improving the scheduling. More day games, ditching the Super Round, byes more spread out, cut finals teams to 6 max and marquee matches more spread out.
We're halfway through the comp and Brumbies have only played one traditional NZ team (on a neutral site, and won).
There are 3 really interesting games next weekend (Blues in Fiji, Chiefs-Crusaders and Canes-Brumbies), would be nice if one of them was this weekend for example.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
The comp has 3-4 squads (numbers wise) too many for quality across the board.
With no system of player distribution to even things out there will always be sides that are weak and sides that attract the best.
No different to many sports comps except the weakness is huddled together in one country. That has lead to the silly “finals” construction of too many teams being in the post round section.
During most of the season the interest only lies in the handful at the very top fighting for home advantage and, to a lesser extent the few on the fringe of being in the post season or not. -
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
The comp has 3-4 squads (numbers wise) too many for quality across the board.
With no system of player distribution to even things out there will always be sides that are weak and sides that attract the best.
No different to many sports comps except the weakness is huddled together in one country. That has lead to the silly “finals” construction of too many teams being in the post round section.
During most of the season the interest only lies in the handful at the very top fighting for home advantage and, to a lesser extent the few on the fringe of being in the post season or not.@Crucial understand all thatCrucial, but I find all games inetersting, not just who is going to make finals etc. What I meant about we get too hung up on results. Hell if you saw some of the teams I have followed/supported over the years, you probably laugh at me. But that's what sport(especially rugby) is to me a place where I choose who I will support and away I go. It's like when my son left college many years ago and mates from 1st XV asked him if he was coming to club a few of them were going to, he just said no, my old man is Athletic ma and so will I be. Weren't a strong club at time, but was our family club!!
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@Crucial understand all thatCrucial, but I find all games inetersting, not just who is going to make finals etc. What I meant about we get too hung up on results. Hell if you saw some of the teams I have followed/supported over the years, you probably laugh at me. But that's what sport(especially rugby) is to me a place where I choose who I will support and away I go. It's like when my son left college many years ago and mates from 1st XV asked him if he was coming to club a few of them were going to, he just said no, my old man is Athletic ma and so will I be. Weren't a strong club at time, but was our family club!!
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial understand all thatCrucial, but I find all games inetersting, not just who is going to make finals etc. What I meant about we get too hung up on results. Hell if you saw some of the teams I have followed/supported over the years, you probably laugh at me. But that's what sport(especially rugby) is to me a place where I choose who I will support and away I go. It's like when my son left college many years ago and mates from 1st XV asked him if he was coming to club a few of them were going to, he just said no, my old man is Athletic ma and so will I be. Weren't a strong club at time, but was our family club!!
There are people like you, people that only want to ride the coat tails and claim some kind of personal achievement by supporting winners and plenty of others that fall in the middle.
Pro comps rely on all of these people to be sustainable. Hard core team fans, those that simply enjoy the code, the 'water cooler' supporters....
To capture as many as possible you still need a product that provides interest. Whether that is through individual player skills, performing teams, ladder positions, tribalism or whatever it is a hard sell when things are a foregone conclusion.
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial understand all thatCrucial, but I find all games inetersting, not just who is going to make finals etc. What I meant about we get too hung up on results. Hell if you saw some of the teams I have followed/supported over the years, you probably laugh at me. But that's what sport(especially rugby) is to me a place where I choose who I will support and away I go. It's like when my son left college many years ago and mates from 1st XV asked him if he was coming to club a few of them were going to, he just said no, my old man is Athletic ma and so will I be. Weren't a strong club at time, but was our family club!!
There are people like you, people that only want to ride the coat tails and claim some kind of personal achievement by supporting winners and plenty of others that fall in the middle.
Pro comps rely on all of these people to be sustainable. Hard core team fans, those that simply enjoy the code, the 'water cooler' supporters....
To capture as many as possible you still need a product that provides interest. Whether that is through individual player skills, performing teams, ladder positions, tribalism or whatever it is a hard sell when things are a foregone conclusion.
Look at our tipping comp. It's not that difficult to select the winners of the games.@Crucial you obviously haven't been watching my results mate!!:anguished_face:
Don't get me wrong, I not saying things couldn't be better, just suggesting you will get people that drop off, I got a mate at golf club who says he doesn't keep up with rugby anymore, but basically because he can't afford Sky any longer.
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Super Rugby Pacific has just been locked in until 2030 so can't say anything changing anytime soon.
Drua have been a good addition but Highlanders have to improve and so do Reds and Tahs.
They could also help by improving the scheduling. More day games, ditching the Super Round, byes more spread out, cut finals teams to 6 max and marquee matches more spread out.
We're halfway through the comp and Brumbies have only played one traditional NZ team (on a neutral site, and won).
There are 3 really interesting games next weekend (Blues in Fiji, Chiefs-Crusaders and Canes-Brumbies), would be nice if one of them was this weekend for example.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
They could also help by improving the scheduling. More day games, ditching the Super Round, byes more spread out, cut finals teams to 6 max and marquee matches more spread out.
If they were going to keep the super round then at least give it some thought, brisbane late in the season (so its not too hot) with a QLD v Tahs game as the final match of the weekend, make it a tradition and try and steal some of the State of Origin fever, or if it needs to stay in Melbourne then make it the first round and sneak in before the AFL starts
speaking locally they also need to engage with clubs in melbourne
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"super" round won't work in Super rugby because
half the fans live in another country (and travel is fuuuuck off expensive)
Super Rugby's 14 fans barely turn up to watch their team at home, let alone travel to another city to do it.You are pushing shit up hill to expect 30k people to watch the Force v Reds in Melbourne, or Rebels v Brumbies in Brisbane, let alone the Highlanders v the Blues
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"super" round won't work in Super rugby because
half the fans live in another country (and travel is fuuuuck off expensive)
Super Rugby's 14 fans barely turn up to watch their team at home, let alone travel to another city to do it.You are pushing shit up hill to expect 30k people to watch the Force v Reds in Melbourne, or Rebels v Brumbies in Brisbane, let alone the Highlanders v the Blues
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
"super" round won't work in Super rugby because
half the fans live in another country (and travel is fuuuuck off expensive)
Super Rugby's 14 fans barely turn up to watch their team at home, let alone travel to another city to do it.You are pushing shit up hill to expect 30k people to watch the Force v Reds in Melbourne, or Rebels v Brumbies in Brisbane, let alone the Highlanders v the Blues
A Super Round could work if it was done properly.. which means not in Melbourne
However what I'm about to suggest won't happen because someone needs to compensate the teams that lose home matches. Currently the Victorian gov is paying a few hundred thousand for each team that loses a home match.
It's worth clarifying you aren't selling tickets to 6 matches. You're selling tickets to 3 events, each event is a double header (same as the current shitty Melbourne event)
Put it in an NZ city and make all the games trans-tasman matches. Auckland makes the most sense because there's a lot fans of other NZ teams that already live here (or within a short drive)
Day one you see the Highlanders and the Crusaders play other teams. Chiefs and Hurricanes day two. Then the local teams Pasifika and Blues on the third day
At minimum you'd get moderate crowds each day. Keep the ticket costs low plus a manageable 3 day pass. Have a beer and food trucks on Eden Park II
It won't happen because no one will compensate the lost home matches.. and NZ rugby fans will complain about any and everything so the event would be drowning in negativity months in advance
