Eden Park
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable. Hell, they were doing it reliably 50 years ago - the wost thing yo uget is a bit of seepage if things aren't perfect.
Plus, the port reclamation typically has Auckland rock (very soft rock, but good for building on) nice and shallow. You'd just sit on that, build up - it's a few metres of excavation at most. By comparison, Westpac Stadium is sitting on shitty old reclamation, and has monstrous seismic loads (like 6-8 times bigger than Auckland).
I'll stand by my assertion that Engineering isn't the issue
The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable. Hell, they were doing it reliably 50 years ago - the wost thing yo uget is a bit of seepage if things aren't perfect.
Plus, the port reclamation typically has Auckland rock (very soft rock, but good for building on) nice and shallow. You'd just sit on that, build up - it's a few metres of excavation at most. By comparison, Westpac Stadium is sitting on shitty old reclamation, and has monstrous seismic loads (like 6-8 times bigger than Auckland).
I'll stand by my assertion that Engineering isn't the issue
Engineer here, definitely agree its not an issue. A quarter the Netherlands is under sea level, some of it more than 6m. The Fontvieille project on the waterfront in Monaco goes as deep as 40m!
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable. Hell, they were doing it reliably 50 years ago - the wost thing yo uget is a bit of seepage if things aren't perfect.
Plus, the port reclamation typically has Auckland rock (very soft rock, but good for building on) nice and shallow. You'd just sit on that, build up - it's a few metres of excavation at most. By comparison, Westpac Stadium is sitting on shitty old reclamation, and has monstrous seismic loads (like 6-8 times bigger than Auckland).
I'll stand by my assertion that Engineering isn't the issue
The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable.
and lots have sump pumps working day and night to keep them "dry", and those are all a tiny footprint compared to that of a stadium. Im not saying its not achievable...but id still argue its a huge engineering undertaking
I have just completely missed "why", reclaim it have have above water, below the water line just feels like potential cons outweighing the pros
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable.
and lots have sump pumps working day and night to keep them "dry", and those are all a tiny footprint compared to that of a stadium. Im not saying its not achievable...but id still argue its a huge engineering undertaking
I have just completely missed "why", reclaim it have have above water, below the water line just feels like potential cons outweighing the pros
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable.
and lots have sump pumps working day and night to keep them "dry", and those are all a tiny footprint compared to that of a stadium. Im not saying its not achievable...but id still argue its a huge engineering undertaking
I have just completely missed "why", reclaim it have have above water, below the water line just feels like potential cons outweighing the pros
Also for any Govt or Council supported venture the environmental/carbon future benefits and disbenefits need to be taken into account. Committing to years and years of running sump pumps could derail funding
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Respectfully, the engineering for a stadium down there is not particularly complex. Keeping water out isn't hard, and in some ways flooding is a lower risk beside the sea. There are lots of issues with a stadium there, but engineering isn't the issue
You might know more than me on the subject. But in my experience water is pervasive, it will find a way in eventually. So a stadium that sits basically underwater is a big risk. I don't think it pays to fight mother nature when it comes to a billion dollar investment
you realise that all the basements downtown (and in most cities) are underwater? Waterproofing is part of design, and it's readily achievable.
and lots have sump pumps working day and night to keep them "dry", and those are all a tiny footprint compared to that of a stadium. Im not saying its not achievable...but id still argue its a huge engineering undertaking
I have just completely missed "why", reclaim it have have above water, below the water line just feels like potential cons outweighing the pros
Also for any Govt or Council supported venture the environmental/carbon future benefits and disbenefits need to be taken into account. Committing to years and years of running sump pumps could derail funding
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Is it 2002 and I've lost a couple of decades?
I'll eat my hat if there's ever a waterfront stadium in Auckland.
Is it 2002 and I've lost a couple of decades?
I'll eat my hat if there's ever a waterfront stadium in Auckland.
Do you like eating hats? I grant you it seems a logistic, geographic, and environmental nightmare but that makes it far more likely for the politically appointed.
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Is it 2002 and I've lost a couple of decades?
I'll eat my hat if there's ever a waterfront stadium in Auckland.
Do you like eating hats? I grant you it seems a logistic, geographic, and environmental nightmare but that makes it far more likely for the politically appointed.
@nostrildamus Ain't going to happen, it's just wishful thinking.
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
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@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
Which is what this upgrade is designed to fix. Matching stands on the sides then the ends.
It's a good stadium, comically easy to get to, pretty user friendly IMO. Short walk after parking for free, or a train straight to it or you can walk easily from the top of Queen Street.
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@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
Which is what this upgrade is designed to fix. Matching stands on the sides then the ends.
It's a good stadium, comically easy to get to, pretty user friendly IMO. Short walk after parking for free, or a train straight to it or you can walk easily from the top of Queen Street.
@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
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@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
Yeah, disagree. It's easy to get to Eden Park. And the atmosphere is great.
2018 NPC Final, huge storm, crowd was having a ball, super loud party atmosphere. Can list off plenty of other examples.
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i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
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i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
