Super Rugby 2023
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The whole women's rugby section was weird too. The numbers are going because of the WRWC, but not really because they went down because of Covid, but they are but by not as much what they said. WTF man.
Seriously if my interest in rugby is waning, it's not because of the rugby, or the comps (super ok/still love NPC), or because of league/soccer/AFL, it's waning because of all the negativity from the rugby media which is spilling over to everything (including forums).
I really think some people have just blocked the impact of Covid out of their heads. Even if you don't like the current NZR people they still had a shit show to deal with, and quite frankly it could have gone worse. They set up interim comps, they set up a new ongoing comp, and they did it without the supposed main revenue steam (Saffas) in a tiny market (NZ and what little of Oz still watches rugby). It may not be perfect, but it's not the disaster it's being made out to be.
Hmmm, maybe I should be posting this in the grumpy old man thread.
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2023:
The whole women's rugby section was weird too. The numbers are going because of the WRWC, but not really because they went down because of Covid, but they are but by not as much what they said. WTF man.
Seriously if my interest in rugby is waning, it's not because of the rugby, or the comps (super ok/still love NPC), or because of league/soccer/AFL, it's waning because of all the negativity from the rugby media which is spilling over to everything (including forums).
I really think some people have just blocked the impact of Covid out of their heads. Even if you don't like the current NZR people they still had a shit show to deal with, and quite frankly it could have gone worse. They set up interim comps, they set up a new ongoing comp, and they did it without the supposed main revenue steam (Saffas) in a tiny market (NZ and what little of Oz still watches rugby). It may not be perfect, but it's not the disaster it's being made out to be.
Hmmm, maybe I should be posting this in the grumpy old man thread.
Bang on Nepia, couldn't of put how I feel better if I tried.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/how-super-rugby-can-revive-itself-with-a-quasi-american-model/
Don't agree with a draft but I'd say most can get on board with this...
**One of the biggest commercial failings of New Zealand Rugby is not finding a way to work with Rugby Australia to get a piece of the Australian sports market, which is competitive, but a much, much larger pie than their own.
If they can work together on re-imagining Super Rugby into an elite sporting league and agree on a new revenue sharing model, they will both end up in much stronger positions if it is a success.
Taking steps to address the unequal distribution of playing talent across Super Rugby is a necessity to achieving that.
New Zealand’s stronger playing pool is not shared, leaving Australian teams to remain behind them most of the time. A ton of young New Zealand players that could be playing simply aren’t.
We hear frequently of New Zealand fans lack of interest in watching Australian teams play and even trans- Ta$man clashes if their own team isn’t featuring.
All Blacks and Wallabies’ eligibility must be expanded within Super Rugby to spread the playing resources, breaking the current mould.
As long as players are contracted within in the competition, they can remain available for international duty.**
@kiwi_expat I see Clayton MacMillan was asked on the players to Aus thing and sums it up rather weLL I thought.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300868429/daft-draft-clayton-mcmillan-shoots-down-radical-super-rugby-pacific-proposal -
@kiwi_expat I see Clayton MacMillan was asked on the players to Aus thing and sums it up rather weLL I thought.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300868429/daft-draft-clayton-mcmillan-shoots-down-radical-super-rugby-pacific-proposal@Dan54 well I never supported a draft as described in that article
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I think this would be the best outcome...
**One solution would be to go back to the future somewhat and cap the number of players Super Rugby franchises can sign or protect. Until the mid-2000s, New Zealand teams used to be able to protect a certain number of players from their catchment areas (remember those?) and then the rest would go into a player pool where franchises could patch up their sides with players from outside their border walls.
It’s an idea that could potentially work again now – if squad numbers were capped at a certain point, it would create more discussion around protected players and the NPC would have another factor as players fight to retain their Super Rugby contracts or put themselves in the prime spot for a draft spot.
Teams could still contract players long-term, but like a salary cap, they’d have to crunch the numbers and plan to make sure they have the right players retained. Get it wrong and you could be handing talent over to an opposition. Give the bottom-placed New Zealand side the first two picks of the unprotected players then work your way down the list from there. Some players would be picked up by their local franchises, but there’d be gems that the big franchises couldn’t protect that end up elsewhere.
Adding back in the old-style draft and throwing away border controls on All Blacks/Wallabies players would give the competition an instant lift. Whether New Zealand franchises have any interest in Australian players outside genuine superstars is still up for debate, but at least the option would be there.**
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I think this would be the best outcome...
**One solution would be to go back to the future somewhat and cap the number of players Super Rugby franchises can sign or protect. Until the mid-2000s, New Zealand teams used to be able to protect a certain number of players from their catchment areas (remember those?) and then the rest would go into a player pool where franchises could patch up their sides with players from outside their border walls.
It’s an idea that could potentially work again now – if squad numbers were capped at a certain point, it would create more discussion around protected players and the NPC would have another factor as players fight to retain their Super Rugby contracts or put themselves in the prime spot for a draft spot.
Teams could still contract players long-term, but like a salary cap, they’d have to crunch the numbers and plan to make sure they have the right players retained. Get it wrong and you could be handing talent over to an opposition. Give the bottom-placed New Zealand side the first two picks of the unprotected players then work your way down the list from there. Some players would be picked up by their local franchises, but there’d be gems that the big franchises couldn’t protect that end up elsewhere.
Adding back in the old-style draft and throwing away border controls on All Blacks/Wallabies players would give the competition an instant lift. Whether New Zealand franchises have any interest in Australian players outside genuine superstars is still up for debate, but at least the option would be there.**
@kiwi_expat I would never agree with removing border controls . I liked the idea of catchment etc, but may of meant that super franchises told players ehich NPC team they had to play in? Thought that was one reason it was scrapped.
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I think this would be the best outcome...
**One solution would be to go back to the future somewhat and cap the number of players Super Rugby franchises can sign or protect. Until the mid-2000s, New Zealand teams used to be able to protect a certain number of players from their catchment areas (remember those?) and then the rest would go into a player pool where franchises could patch up their sides with players from outside their border walls.
It’s an idea that could potentially work again now – if squad numbers were capped at a certain point, it would create more discussion around protected players and the NPC would have another factor as players fight to retain their Super Rugby contracts or put themselves in the prime spot for a draft spot.
Teams could still contract players long-term, but like a salary cap, they’d have to crunch the numbers and plan to make sure they have the right players retained. Get it wrong and you could be handing talent over to an opposition. Give the bottom-placed New Zealand side the first two picks of the unprotected players then work your way down the list from there. Some players would be picked up by their local franchises, but there’d be gems that the big franchises couldn’t protect that end up elsewhere.
Adding back in the old-style draft and throwing away border controls on All Blacks/Wallabies players would give the competition an instant lift. Whether New Zealand franchises have any interest in Australian players outside genuine superstars is still up for debate, but at least the option would be there.**
@kiwi_expat yeah nah, that wasn't ideal either as super teams 'suggested' players move to a npc team, most often the main one, which strengthened the npc base and weakened its partners (which will be fine if we want to relegate NPC further)
I think what would be better is a pool of players that can be loaned out to other franchises, even multiple teams in a year, would be better for thier development working under different coaches, different environments than never even playing.
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I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
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I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
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@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
Canes didn't change many
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
Canes didn't change many
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
Canes didn't change many
Canes suck.
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
Canes didn't change many
Canes suck.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@LABCAT said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
I know it's difficult to forecast fixtures, but it's instructive that (Hurricane's incompetence aside) there's a considerable discrepancy between this round and last week's. Last week was competitive, this week are walkovers.
Do you like your hat medium rare or well done?
There's no accounting for moronic wholesale changes in playing groups.
Canes didn't change many
Canes suck.
Sadly true
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Looooool at the canes and the Blues.
At.least one kiwi team is actually good.
And guess what sports fans?
Very fucking few of them will start for the ABs later this year.Bunch of over-hyped mentally weak, repeated failure canes, Blues and Crusaders will get jerseys.
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Looooool at the canes and the Blues.
At.least one kiwi team is actually good.
And guess what sports fans?
Very fucking few of them will start for the ABs later this year.Bunch of over-hyped mentally weak, repeated failure canes, Blues and Crusaders will get jerseys.
@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
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@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?@Tim based on what I have seen this year , my only lock in Blues starter for the ABs is Reiko ..
Clark and Telea, maybe one of them ,Papalii or Akira maybe in the 23
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@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?You know BB is the starting FB
Clarke will start. Reiko will start.
That's 3 more starting backs then the Chiefs can boast
We'll have 3 starting forwards though I guess. Unless we revert to Taylor in which case it'll be 2.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?You know BB is the starting FB
Clarke will start. Reiko will start.
That's 3 more starting backs then the Chiefs can boast
We'll have 3 starting forwards though I guess. Unless we revert to Taylor in which case it'll be 2.
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@mariner4life Sounds good to me.
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Sounds good to me.
Because, as a harbour and Blues fan, you have grown to love failure
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Sounds good to me.
Because, as a harbour and Blues fan, you have grown to love failure
@mariner4life While they may have underperformed as teams in the domestic competitions, plenty of their players have still excelled in the ABs.
Not all solid Super Rugby battlers can be Auckland Legends.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?You know BB is the starting FB
Clarke will start. Reiko will start.
That's 3 more starting backs then the Chiefs can boast
We'll have 3 starting forwards though I guess. Unless we revert to Taylor in which case it'll be 2.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life Which Blues will start for ABs?
Papalii, Ioane, Ioane, Clarke,
Barrett? Maybe Telea?You know BB is the starting FB
Clarke will start. Reiko will start.
That's 3 more starting backs then the Chiefs can boast
We'll have 3 starting forwards though I guess. Unless we revert to Taylor in which case it'll be 2.
Clarke and Rieko played well today.
