Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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You know on reflection of the game, and last few games of season, I would argue that Scott Barrett is close to best rugby player in the country this year. He has been immense!
Will ad in Narawa we got a pretty good right wing too in ABs too!@Dan54 The sentimental call to give Sam Whitelock MotM, but I would have given it to Scott. When the Chiefs got on top early in the second half, SB was instrumental in turning the momentum.
Discipline obviously a key point of difference in that game, but the Crusaders also seemed to have a plan to starve the Chiefs of set piece possession by not kicking the ball out. The odd time they had to they competed like madmen in the lineout. Resulted in an edge in territory and possession.
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats - seems like ESPN only had the work experience kid on the job?
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@Stag Where was Whitelock's captaincy when the ABs capitulated against England last year, or lost to Ireland and France a year earlier?
If Robertson wants Papalii as the AB captain we've got problems too.
@Bovidae will be very interesting to see what he does with the captaincy.
DP is a leader, but more just a follow me type, not sure he's got it if needed to dig in and change things, unlikely Cane be it, we know whitelock won't be...how much longer will Barrett stick around, will that be a carrot?
Otherwise who then?
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NZ has some great young props. Williams was great tonight.
@Billy-Tell said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
NZ has some great young props. Williams was great tonight.
Interesting player , on the back of a few seasons where we have been accused of being outmuscled by opposition packs, he looks a bit of what we require
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@Dan54 The sentimental call to give Sam Whitelock MotM, but I would have given it to Scott. When the Chiefs got on top early in the second half, SB was instrumental in turning the momentum.
Discipline obviously a key point of difference in that game, but the Crusaders also seemed to have a plan to starve the Chiefs of set piece possession by not kicking the ball out. The odd time they had to they competed like madmen in the lineout. Resulted in an edge in territory and possession.
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats - seems like ESPN only had the work experience kid on the job?
@Chris-B said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats
https://super.rugby/superrugby/match-centre/?competition=205&season=2023&match=937148
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@Chris-B said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats
https://super.rugby/superrugby/match-centre/?competition=205&season=2023&match=937148
@Stargazer Thanks!
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@Bovidae will be very interesting to see what he does with the captaincy.
DP is a leader, but more just a follow me type, not sure he's got it if needed to dig in and change things, unlikely Cane be it, we know whitelock won't be...how much longer will Barrett stick around, will that be a carrot?
Otherwise who then?
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@Dan54 The sentimental call to give Sam Whitelock MotM, but I would have given it to Scott. When the Chiefs got on top early in the second half, SB was instrumental in turning the momentum.
Discipline obviously a key point of difference in that game, but the Crusaders also seemed to have a plan to starve the Chiefs of set piece possession by not kicking the ball out. The odd time they had to they competed like madmen in the lineout. Resulted in an edge in territory and possession.
Anyone got a link to some detailed match stats - seems like ESPN only had the work experience kid on the job?
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@Stag Where was Whitelock's captaincy when the ABs capitulated against England last year, or lost to Ireland and France a year earlier?
If Robertson wants Papalii as the AB captain we've got problems too.
@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Stag Where was Whitelock's captaincy when the ABs capitulated against England last year, or lost to Ireland and France a year earlier?
If Robertson wants Papalii as the AB captain we've got problems too.
Not sure we lost either of those games through leadership. The team capitulated, I think you can look at the skipper in some ways, but in other ways it speaks of the quality across the board. Sam Cane last night got angry, pissed the referee off, which was poor leadership in the first place, then compounded it by giving away a stupid yellow card. It perfectly showed why he shouldn't be the All Black captain, not just because of poor leadership on the field, but also the fact he shouldn't even be on the field. Even if you want to stick with Ardie at 8, Papalii should be ahead in the queue, and arguably Harmon.
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@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Stag Where was Whitelock's captaincy when the ABs capitulated against England last year, or lost to Ireland and France a year earlier?
If Robertson wants Papalii as the AB captain we've got problems too.
Not sure we lost either of those games through leadership. The team capitulated, I think you can look at the skipper in some ways, but in other ways it speaks of the quality across the board. Sam Cane last night got angry, pissed the referee off, which was poor leadership in the first place, then compounded it by giving away a stupid yellow card. It perfectly showed why he shouldn't be the All Black captain, not just because of poor leadership on the field, but also the fact he shouldn't even be on the field. Even if you want to stick with Ardie at 8, Papalii should be ahead in the queue, and arguably Harmon.
@frugby said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Papalii should be ahead in the queue
Did you not watch the Crusaders v Blues SF? No leadership in that Blues squad from their captain and he didn't have a game to be proud of. No idea why you'd think Papali'i should be ahead in the queue.
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@frugby said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Papalii should be ahead in the queue
Did you not watch the Crusaders v Blues SF? No leadership in that Blues squad from their captain and he didn't have a game to be proud of. No idea why you'd think Papali'i should be ahead in the queue.
@Stargazer I thought Papalii actually had quite a strong game, but as we established, the Blues were murdered in the right five so pretty hard for the loose forwards and backs. As for leadership, I don't really see him as a captain, and I think it is bizarre they didn't go back to Tuipulotu (who as it happens was injured).
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@taniwharugby S Barrett will take the captaincy I'd imagine... Ardie is of course the other option, because he only misses Super Rugby.
Other options: Papalii, Cane & Lienert-Brown
@frugby ah, knew i was.forgetting someone, Ardie or SB, not sure ALB is an option.
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@ploughboy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
and the missed forward pass changed the game
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
Gutted for Weber, Nankivell and PGS especially.
@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
I know I keep banging on about it, but he's just not up to standard.
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Even with only a yellow card, ALB started the rot with that enthusiastic but dumb arse tackle.
@Donsteppa said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Even with only a yellow card, ALB started the rot with that enthusiastic but dumb arse tackle.
Not to mention his absolutely needless penalty on halfway a few minutes earlier.
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@Stargazer said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
That's B/S, it's always B/S when twats do stuff like this, but it's a minority.
I can understand the booing of the ref at game, especially in the heat of the moment, but I really don't understand doing it to the players during the trophy ceremony etc.
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You know on reflection of the game, and last few games of season, I would argue that Scott Barrett is close to best rugby player in the country this year. He has been immense!
Will ad in Narawa we got a pretty good right wing too in ABs too!@Dan54 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
You know on reflection of the game, and last few games of season, I would argue that Scott Barrett is close to best rugby player in the country this year. He has been immense!
Will ad in Narawa we got a pretty good right wing too in ABs too!Totally agree about both players. Scott has a big engine and competes on every play. Narawa has that top end speed that gives players extra time but seems so well balanced in his all round game.
