Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Maybe so but the Crusaders can only do their job which is to win the comp.
They don’t control the workings of the comp how it is formed selected etc.
Maybe they just proved with 8 ABs out of the final it is the enviroment not always the cattle that determine a champion side.Cattle still contained 9 current ABs in the starting 15. And another a recent AB. If coaches did it with 3 or 4 ABs would agree. And how many were missing from the starting 15. 2 or 3. And the replacements were a high enough std. Not poor
Most team have injuries. Crusader's are lucky to have attracted good backups. That other teams can struggle to do this for obvious reasons. Top teams always find attracting quality players easier
@Winger said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Cattle still contained 9 current ABs in the starting 15. And another a recent AB. If coaches did it with 3 or 4 ABs would agree. And how many were missing from the starting 15. 2 or 3. And the replacements were a high enough std. Not poorTo be fair, two of those 9 have never pulled on a black jersey…
Most team have injuries. Crusader's are lucky to have attracted good backups. That other teams can struggle to do this for obvious reasons. Top teams always find attracting quality players easier
They also have a knack of turning lesser knowns into something because of what’s happening both on and off the field.
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...kind of feel like i need to post just because its the final.
only managed to watch parts of the first half, didn't get back to the clubrooms until nearly 6 (melbourne time) so it was already half time, we put it on delayed. By half time watching i was shattered so headed home but saw the score pop up on the socials so lost the urgency to watch the rest on sat
will watch a replay when get the chance
As expected the Saders got up for the games that matter, its just part of the culture
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The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
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The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.
Big call there.
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The online abuse that Ben Okeefe is getting is horrendous, death threats even
Time for the Chiefs as an organisation to get on the front foot and address this .
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.@Steven-Harris
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Thought Chiefs supporters were better than that.
Big call there.
@Canerbry if you see some of the abuse , you will get where I am coming from some of the stuff on the socials directly after the final were haha funny , ref got paid stuff etc ..! but to escalate it to a point we’re threats are being made ,that’s another level and totally unacceptable
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Good on NZR for standing up for the officials from some pathetic,Bitter twisted people we don’t need these sort of people involved in rugby setting kids a great example ,Do they do this shit at their kids games .
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Better to upgrade officials so result changing clangers aren't dropped. Treat the cause not the effect.
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Better to upgrade officials so result changing clangers aren't dropped. Treat the cause not the effect.
Wow, that's a really poor response. Criticising a referee if you disagree with his decisions is one thing; abusing him and threatening him (which is what has happened) is totally unacceptable and I can't believe that you're condoning it. Referee abuse is a major reason for the declining numbers of referees, particularly in grassroots rugby. Without them, there's no game to play or watch.
The cause of the abusive behaviour is not the officials making a few mistakes; the cause is entirely within the abusive persons, who've lost their sense of what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. If you want to treat the cause, then these abusive people are the ones who should be "upgraded", so the abuse no longer happens and bad examples are no longer set to children and young people, who may copy that bad behaviour.
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@Stargazer I don't support refs being abused. But in many walks of life a person who made a mistake with the massive consequences of Saturday's would be summarily dismissed. It's a professional game now.
NZRU ought to be investigating how to avoid a recurrence.
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I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
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I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
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Good on NZR for standing up for the officials from some pathetic,Bitter twisted people we don’t need these sort of people involved in rugby setting kids a great example ,Do they do this shit at their kids games .
They make me sick the gutless fluffybunnies.@Chris Absolutely feral. Get a hobby, or something better to do. If you really want to make a change get involved with your union. Though it'd be best not to announce yourself with a conspiracy theory about refs. Unless you have completely convincing evidence of some kind of favourite team advantage. Probably not the kind of thing that is presented in Instagram comments ...
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@Stargazer I don't support refs being abused. But in many walks of life a person who made a mistake with the massive consequences of Saturday's would be summarily dismissed. It's a professional game now.
NZRU ought to be investigating how to avoid a recurrence.
@pakman I don't think you can compare what a ref does into the business world.
Where you have 30 grown men you are trying to keep in line, while they are all trying to push the limits, and will make errors as well, not to mention you have 3 others trying to help you too, and you are saying he should be sacked because of an error that he and 3 other officials missed?
Should ALB be similarly sacked for his error? That was quite important and could well have swung the pendulum to the Crusaders victory.
Usually only lose your job on the spot through gross negligence, which mean you think they weren't errors, they were deliberate actions, as in he cheated?
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@pakman I don't think you can compare what a ref does into the business world.
Where you have 30 grown men you are trying to keep in line, while they are all trying to push the limits, and will make errors as well, not to mention you have 3 others trying to help you too, and you are saying he should be sacked because of an error that he and 3 other officials missed?
Should ALB be similarly sacked for his error? That was quite important and could well have swung the pendulum to the Crusaders victory.
Usually only lose your job on the spot through gross negligence, which mean you think they weren't errors, they were deliberate actions, as in he cheated?
@taniwharugby said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman I don't think you can compare what a ref does into the business world.
Where you have 30 grown men you are trying to keep in line, while they are all trying to push the limits, not to mention you have 3 others trying to help you too, and you are saying he should be sacked because of an error that he and 3 other officials missed?
Should ALB be similarly sacked for his error? That was quite important and could well have swung the pendulum to the Crusaders victory.
Usually only lose your job on the spot through gross negligence, which mean you think they weren't errors, they were deliberate actions, as in he cheated?
I'm not actually gunning for BOK.
But sport is now business. We have two touchies aided by technology to try and improve the game.
Pre technology the second Narawa try stands and Chiefs win going away. Maybe ALB doesn't see yellow even.
If we embrace technology in the professional era we need to ensure the results of games aren't reversed through ropey application.We know from the technology that the Mo'unga try was bogus. One can try and cite various protocols to explain things away, but the plain fact remains that between two touchies and the TMO watching real time, even though BOK missed it, the system ought to have tipped him off and the scrum Chiefs been awarded.
As a business, NZRU need to look into why the error occurred and what can be changed going forward to ensure such errors don't recur.
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Sam Cane being a has been shithouse player, who would not be in any other tier one XV, was one of the main reasons that the Chiefs lost.
ABs go out in the QF, and the main reason is loser Cane is preferred over a vastly better player at international level for the last two years - Papalii.
What tier one team would Cane start for? None. He is shit.
