Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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Foster correct in this points to one of the real reasons the Chiefs lost.
”We don't want them [yellow cards] and I am sure the Chiefs didn't want them,” Foster said.“Sometimes there is a bit of a lesson there, your senior players can sometimes want things so badly that they just over-extend or force a play when they don't need to.
“So, it's like every pressure moment, there's some great learnings in that.”
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@kiwi_expat said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@nostrildamus Chiefs performed better given the circumstances, 22 of the Crusaders 25 points were scored against 14 men, 3 yellow cards, roughly 1/2 the match disadvantaged, Crusaders looked clueless whenever the Chiefs had a full compliment.
I think you meant complement. Given that, you are saying for those 3 yellow cards, 37.5% of the game (or for nearly all of it given ALB should have been given a red card), the Crusaders didn't look clueless.
I am afraid we have to consider discipline: the Chiefs made key mistakes and the Crusaders were ruthless in capitalizing on those mistakes and squeezing the Chiefs out of the game. That is how they typically play.
I'd have been happy if the Chiefs won, but they had their chances and their warnings, and they didn't change tack.
That shows even if their players individually may have been superior the team had a tactical or leadership flaw.@nostrildamus said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I am afraid we have to consider discipline: the Chiefs made key mistakes and the Crusaders were ruthless in capitalizing on those mistakes and squeezing the Chiefs out of the game.
That's not how I saw it at all, this was quite similar to the Woman's WC final where the Ferns nearly handed England the win on a platter despite having a man advantage for a large chunk of the game, Crusaders were not ruthless, it's a numbers game & they won because of that.
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@nostrildamus said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I am afraid we have to consider discipline: the Chiefs made key mistakes and the Crusaders were ruthless in capitalizing on those mistakes and squeezing the Chiefs out of the game.
That's not how I saw it at all, this was quite similar to the Woman's WC final where the Ferns nearly handed England the win on a platter despite having a man advantage for a large chunk of the game, Crusaders were not ruthless, it's a numbers game & they won because of that.
@kiwi_expat said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@nostrildamus said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I am afraid we have to consider discipline: the Chiefs made key mistakes and the Crusaders were ruthless in capitalizing on those mistakes and squeezing the Chiefs out of the game.
That's not how I saw it at all, this was quite similar to the Woman's WC final where the Ferns nearly handed England the win on a platter despite having a man advantage for a large chunk of the game, Crusaders were not ruthless, it's a numbers game & they won because of that.
There have been so many matches in the last 5 years alone that teams have won when they have had yellow cards, and even red and been down player/s. Teams train scenarios being down a man.
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Don’t understand all the fuss about this one. Chiefs blew it, Saders hung in there and found a way. Love me some Brer O’Keefe. Just a shame he won’t be able to ref the RWC final.
@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Don’t understand all the fuss about this one. Chiefs blew it, Saders hung in there and found a way. Love me some Brer O’Keefe. Just a shame he won’t be able to ref the RWC final.
Who would he favour then France or Ireland?
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
There were two "shockers" by the ref tonight. ALB should have gotten a red, which would have had a major impact on the game, and a missed forward pass several phases before a try was scored, which would have had a marginal impact on the match at the time.
All of the rest were pretty normal ruby calls, nothing to call the WAHHHHHHHHAMBULANCE about.
You can't blame the red card on BOK. What the TMO was thinking is a different matter!
To get some idea of the impact of the forward pass, recall that Jesters went from conceding try to penalty on half way. Even Bryn Hall on RPA acknowledged that (correctly I might add) saved the game for Jesters.
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
There were two "shockers" by the ref tonight. ALB should have gotten a red, which would have had a major impact on the game, and a missed forward pass several phases before a try was scored, which would have had a marginal impact on the match at the time.
All of the rest were pretty normal ruby calls, nothing to call the WAHHHHHHHHAMBULANCE about.
You can't blame the red card on BOK. What the TMO was thinking is a different matter!
To get some idea of the impact of the forward pass, recall that Jesters went from conceding try to penalty on half way. Even Bryn Hall on RPA acknowledged that (correctly I might add) saved the game for Jesters.
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
There were two "shockers" by the ref tonight. ALB should have gotten a red, which would have had a major impact on the game, and a missed forward pass several phases before a try was scored, which would have had a marginal impact on the match at the time.
All of the rest were pretty normal ruby calls, nothing to call the WAHHHHHHHHAMBULANCE about.
You can't blame the red card on BOK. What the TMO was thinking is a different matter!
To get some idea of the impact of the forward pass, recall that Jesters went from conceding try to penalty on half way. Even Bryn Hall on RPA acknowledged that (correctly I might add) saved the game for Jesters.
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
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@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Don’t understand all the fuss about this one. Chiefs blew it, Saders hung in there and found a way. Love me some Brer O’Keefe. Just a shame he won’t be able to ref the RWC final.
Who would he favour then France or Ireland?
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@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
If we had Bryn Hall playing we would’ve won by more.
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@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
If we had Bryn Hall playing we would’ve won by more.
@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
If we had Bryn Hall playing we would’ve won by more.
That statement is a reflection on Drummond.
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@Nevorian Could see him getting the France game in the semis. Barnes is the obvious choice for the final and he won’t have to worry about England being there.
@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian Could see him getting the France game in the semis. Barnes is the obvious choice for the final and he won’t have to worry about England being there.
I'm not going to let this one slide. Why do you think Barnes is the obvious choice?
I'd rank him about 5th. Plenty I'd put above him.
Luke Pearce is the best NH ref by a mile.
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@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Don’t understand all the fuss about this one. Chiefs blew it, Saders hung in there and found a way. Love me some Brer O’Keefe. Just a shame he won’t be able to ref the RWC final.
Who would he favour then France or Ireland?
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Don’t understand all the fuss about this one. Chiefs blew it, Saders hung in there and found a way. Love me some Brer O’Keefe. Just a shame he won’t be able to ref the RWC final.
Who would he favour then France or Ireland?
'Brer O'Keefe' sounds vaguely of Irish origin so...
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I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
@Toddy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
I read that article and I think he summed it up well.
I agreed with just about everything Reason says, which is unusual for me.
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This have been such an entertaining thread.
The crusaders won because they scored the most points. So they were the best team on the field on Saturday. We are the super rugby champions. Which means we are the best team in the competition.
I love Parkman’s posts. Love how you call us the jesters. No idea what that means.
Love kiwiexpat as well. You guys can say whatever you want about what happened on the field. Do you remember every decision right or wrong in every final in our seven titles. No of course not. Just like after we win the next three , no one will remember about these decisions in this final.
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This have been such an entertaining thread.
The crusaders won because they scored the most points. So they were the best team on the field on Saturday. We are the super rugby champions. Which means we are the best team in the competition.
I love Parkman’s posts. Love how you call us the jesters. No idea what that means.
Love kiwiexpat as well. You guys can say whatever you want about what happened on the field. Do you remember every decision right or wrong in every final in our seven titles. No of course not. Just like after we win the next three , no one will remember about these decisions in this final.
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@Toddy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
I read that article and I think he summed it up well.
I agreed with just about everything Reason says, which is unusual for me.
@Damo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I read that article and I think he summed it up well.
I agreed with just about everything Reason says, which is unusual for me.Yes but as Reason wrote this I did have a bit of a chuckle:
"I am sick of the whinging and moaning and grizzling that goes on in New Zealand every time..."
In every Reason article I have read there is whinging, moaning, and grizzling...
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@KiwiMurph haha it’ll get a bite.
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@KiwiMurph Haha he ain't wrong in fairness.
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@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian Could see him getting the France game in the semis. Barnes is the obvious choice for the final and he won’t have to worry about England being there.
I'm not going to let this one slide. Why do you think Barnes is the obvious choice?
I'd rank him about 5th. Plenty I'd put above him.
Luke Pearce is the best NH ref by a mile.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
If we had Bryn Hall playing we would’ve won by more.
That statement is a reflection on Drummond.
@antipodean sure is. I said at the start of the season that Hall was a big loss given how he had played for us. Drummond played a lot better in the last month, but there’s still a number of things that frustrate me about his play.
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Foster reiterated it was McMillan's call to not let Cane or Weber join him for the post-game interview. “Clayton made a decision to go in by himself,” Foster added. “So can't really see what the issue is with it.”
