Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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This have been such an entertaining thread.
The crusaders won because they scored the most points. So they were the best team on the field on Saturday. We are the super rugby champions. Which means we are the best team in the competition.
I love Parkman’s posts. Love how you call us the jesters. No idea what that means.
Love kiwiexpat as well. You guys can say whatever you want about what happened on the field. Do you remember every decision right or wrong in every final in our seven titles. No of course not. Just like after we win the next three , no one will remember about these decisions in this final.
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This have been such an entertaining thread.
The crusaders won because they scored the most points. So they were the best team on the field on Saturday. We are the super rugby champions. Which means we are the best team in the competition.
I love Parkman’s posts. Love how you call us the jesters. No idea what that means.
Love kiwiexpat as well. You guys can say whatever you want about what happened on the field. Do you remember every decision right or wrong in every final in our seven titles. No of course not. Just like after we win the next three , no one will remember about these decisions in this final.
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@Toddy said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I didn't realise Cane never fronted the press conference afterwards. Appears pretty gutless unless he had genuine reason to skip it.
I read that article and I think he summed it up well.
I agreed with just about everything Reason says, which is unusual for me.
@Damo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
I read that article and I think he summed it up well.
I agreed with just about everything Reason says, which is unusual for me.Yes but as Reason wrote this I did have a bit of a chuckle:
"I am sick of the whinging and moaning and grizzling that goes on in New Zealand every time..."
In every Reason article I have read there is whinging, moaning, and grizzling...
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@KiwiMurph haha it’ll get a bite.
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@KiwiMurph Haha he ain't wrong in fairness.
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@game_film said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian Could see him getting the France game in the semis. Barnes is the obvious choice for the final and he won’t have to worry about England being there.
I'm not going to let this one slide. Why do you think Barnes is the obvious choice?
I'd rank him about 5th. Plenty I'd put above him.
Luke Pearce is the best NH ref by a mile.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
How did Bryn Hall know what was going to happen from that point on? Is he some sort of time traveller?
If he is, he should've spent more time as a young bloke practising his passing...
If we had Bryn Hall playing we would’ve won by more.
That statement is a reflection on Drummond.
@antipodean sure is. I said at the start of the season that Hall was a big loss given how he had played for us. Drummond played a lot better in the last month, but there’s still a number of things that frustrate me about his play.
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Foster reiterated it was McMillan's call to not let Cane or Weber join him for the post-game interview. “Clayton made a decision to go in by himself,” Foster added. “So can't really see what the issue is with it.” -
In a shock move, I agree with Foster!
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@antipodean sure is. I said at the start of the season that Hall was a big loss given how he had played for us. Drummond played a lot better in the last month, but there’s still a number of things that frustrate me about his play.
@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@antipodean sure is. I said at the start of the season that Hall was a big loss given how he had played for us. Drummond played a lot better in the last month, but there’s still a number of things that frustrate me about his play.
Surely Hotham to overtake him next year? Is your high priced English superstar reserve halfback going to play again next year?
Wonder why the good young halfbacks are coming out of the Waikato these days? Roigard, Hotham and Ratima all look to be potential ABs (although Ratima suffered a bit of second season syndrome this year).
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Blues did show interest in Ratima I was told a while back but that's as far it's gone at this stage I understand not sure outside Christie what other 9s contract status is with blues Nock? And Funaki ?
@george33 on NOck, when it was rumoured he'd be leaving last year and supposedly issues with Leon, I thought he re-signed for 2 years?
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@george33 on NOck, when it was rumoured he'd be leaving last year and supposedly issues with Leon, I thought he re-signed for 2 years?
@taniwharugby The duration of his contract was never published by the Blues.
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@george33 on NOck, when it was rumoured he'd be leaving last year and supposedly issues with Leon, I thought he re-signed for 2 years?
@taniwharugby said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
on NOck, when it was rumoured he'd be leaving last year and supposedly issues with Leon, I thought he re-signed for 2 years?
He's halfway through a two year deal if Steve Harris was correct
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@taniwharugby said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
on NOck, when it was rumoured he'd be leaving last year and supposedly issues with Leon, I thought he re-signed for 2 years?
He's halfway through a two year deal if Steve Harris was correct
@Duluth he is right more often than he is wrong on that stuff
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@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confused@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
@pakman who won the minor premiership in 2022. No one cares. The chiefs lost the game. No one cares anymore about anything else. Get over it.
