Argentina v All Blacks
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@Chris I actually like the team picked for this test, and actually like the 36 man squad. So I guess I another huh, I will obviously have to bow to your superior knowledge.
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@Chris-B you're missing the point. We might have our best players in those positions but they've been f@cked around for so long they've had no real opportunity to gel. JB played damn well at 12 after an injury forced change then the next test he was gone. Etc etc.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B you're missing the point. We might have our best players in those positions but they've been f@cked around for so long they've had no real opportunity to gel. JB played damn well at 12 after an injury forced change then the next test he was gone. Etc etc.
That seems like a different point to the one you made earlier, which was that we don't know who half our best team is. I'll just finish dealing with that one by saying that if everyone who has a chance of being fit and available in October was fit and available and the Quarterfinal was played tomorrow, I'd be disappointed if I couldn't correctly pick 20 of the 23 names. I reckon most people here could.
Thing about Fozzie's job that is obvious, but gets missed everywhere, is that he's not dealing with robots - he's dealing with people and it's fucking complex. Firstly, he's got to win. He's got to keep his core group of players happy. He's got to develop the up and comers. And he's got to demote and sack people - on a weekly basis.
People usually don't like that, so he's got to be a lot more careful than punters on a chat site. So this week, a general Fern message is, "Hey Shaun, you're a shiny newbie - we'll give you a go and if you do well we'll fucking sack Beaudy. You're alright with that aren't you Beaudy...".
Which might be OK as long as Shaun does do well and next week we're not, "Hey, Beaudy mate...."
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B you're missing the point. We might have our best players in those positions but they've been f@cked around for so long they've had no real opportunity to gel. JB played damn well at 12 after an injury forced change then the next test he was gone. Etc etc.
That seems like a different point to the one you made earlier, which was that we don't know who half our best team is. I'll just finish dealing with that one by saying that if everyone who has a chance of being fit and available in October was fit and available and the Quarterfinal was played tomorrow, I'd be disappointed if I couldn't correctly pick 20 of the 23 names. I reckon most people here could.
Thing about Fozzie's job that is obvious, but gets missed everywhere, is that he's not dealing with robots - he's dealing with people and it's fucking complex. Firstly, he's got to win. He's got to keep his core group of players happy. He's got to develop the up and comers. And he's got to demote and sack people - on a weekly basis.
People usually don't like that, so he's got to be a lot more careful than punters on a chat site. So this week, a general Fern message is, "Hey Shaun, you're a shiny newbie - we'll give you a go and if you do well we'll fucking sack Beaudy. You're alright with that aren't you Beaudy...".
Which might be OK as long as Shaun does do well and next week we're not, "Hey, Beaudy mate...."
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Sooooo. I don’t want to change the subject unnecessarily, but is anyone keen to discuss game tactics rather than selection choices?
Any thoughts on what this AB team has to do to get out of Argentina with a W?
Any predictions on how we will play given selections (other than using Friz as our primary battering ram cos he’s amazing)
Any thoughts on how Argentina will try’s to control the game?
Appreciate its not as much fun as whining about the team make-up, but desperate times and all that!
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NZ kick well, NZ win
Grubbers through and chips over to keep the Argentinian backline onside/honest
Long exits inside own 22, whether from 10 or box kicking from 9
JB kicking from first and second receiver on attack to pin Argentina inside their own 22
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Sooooo. I don’t want to change the subject unnecessarily, but is anyone keen to discuss game tactics rather than selection choices?
Any thoughts on what this AB team has to do to get out of Argentina with a W?
Any predictions on how we will play given selections (other than using Friz as our primary battering ram cos he’s amazing)
Any thoughts on how Argentina will try’s to control the game?
Appreciate its not as much fun as whining about the team make-up, but desperate times and all that!
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@voodoo We don't want to stuck in a battle of attrition, especially with 60m of our line. Quality of kicking and chasing will be very important.
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At this stage of the cycle we should have a core 12 players and then time and wiggle room for a flavour of the month , a Milner Skudder type with the hot hand (Stevenson) to be the icing on the cake.
4 games from word cup and we are still fluting around with Frizell, Beaudy, Caleb.
Its an omni shambles.
Mo'unga has won super rugby 7 years on the spin??? Is that right? And he has never been properly given the keys to the castle.
I love DMAC. He could play a blinder this week....and you know what happens next week? He is either dropped or shunted to 15 so Mo'unga gets a go.
EVERYONE has been done a disservice since 2019 including Beaudy. Backrow the same.
@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
At this stage of the cycle we should have a core 12 players and then time and wiggle room for a flavour of the month , a Milner Skudder type with the hot hand (Stevenson) to be the icing on the cake.
Your core 12 players are De Groot, Taukeiaho, Lomax, Retallick, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mounga, J Barrett, Ioane, Jordan.
They're playing the Boks 6 days after this match on the other side of the world so of course they're resting players, particularly those who had a full on Super season.
I'm no fan of Foster but my god the whining on here is pretty insufferable at times, the ABs have named a weakened team, we don't all agree with it, but it's happened before it'll happen again. Life goes on.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B you're missing the point. We might have our best players in those positions but they've been f@cked around for so long they've had no real opportunity to gel. JB played damn well at 12 after an injury forced change then the next test he was gone. Etc etc.
That seems like a different point to the one you made earlier, which was that we don't know who half our best team is. I'll just finish dealing with that one by saying that if everyone who has a chance of being fit and available in October was fit and available and the Quarterfinal was played tomorrow, I'd be disappointed if I couldn't correctly pick 20 of the 23 names. I reckon most people here could.
Thing about Fozzie's job that is obvious, but gets missed everywhere, is that he's not dealing with robots - he's dealing with people and it's fucking complex. Firstly, he's got to win. He's got to keep his core group of players happy. He's got to develop the up and comers. And he's got to demote and sack people - on a weekly basis.
People usually don't like that, so he's got to be a lot more careful than punters on a chat site. So this week, a general Fern message is, "Hey Shaun, you're a shiny newbie - we'll give you a go and if you do well we'll fucking sack Beaudy. You're alright with that aren't you Beaudy...".
Which might be OK as long as Shaun does do well and next week we're not, "Hey, Beaudy mate...."
@Chris-B it's not just the best players in their positions. It's combinations. Nonu and Smith played 60 odd tests together as well as SR matches. Reid, McCaw, Kaino etc.
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@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
At this stage of the cycle we should have a core 12 players and then time and wiggle room for a flavour of the month , a Milner Skudder type with the hot hand (Stevenson) to be the icing on the cake.
Your core 12 players are De Groot, Taukeiaho, Lomax, Retallick, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mounga, J Barrett, Ioane, Jordan.
They're playing the Boks 6 days after this match on the other side of the world so of course they're resting players, particularly those who had a full on Super season.
I'm no fan of Foster but my god the whining on here is pretty insufferable at times, the ABs have named a weakened team, we don't all agree with it, but it's happened before it'll happen again. Life goes on.
@TJ
first series loss to Ireland. At home. First loss to Argentina. First loss to Argentina at home. Should have put Scotland away by 20mins in. England should have lost by 25. Almost lost to Japan. Probably should have lost to Australia. Team chopping and changing. Blokes out of form in. Blokes playing out of their skin, nowhere. No combinations. Foz as head coach has the inspiration of a ngat. We've earned the right to whinge. -
Sooooo. I don’t want to change the subject unnecessarily, but is anyone keen to discuss game tactics rather than selection choices?
Any thoughts on what this AB team has to do to get out of Argentina with a W?
Any predictions on how we will play given selections (other than using Friz as our primary battering ram cos he’s amazing)
Any thoughts on how Argentina will try’s to control the game?
Appreciate its not as much fun as whining about the team make-up, but desperate times and all that!
Same as against England on the EOYT but hopefully without the brainfarts and forwards going to sleep after 60 minutes. Keep the pressure up and don't go to sleep.
As our scrum has been pretty good, I'd imagine they'll try and use that and the driving maul near the line. DMac's kicking has been good in SR, so perhaps we'll be better and more confident in that department (is key as @MiketheSnow points out)
Expect Narawa to do a Telea and cause all sorts of problems for Argentina
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I'm excited to see the combo of DMac-Jordie-Rieko on attack. Obviously first time together but just interested to see how they mesh.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Obviously first time together but just interested to see how they mesh.
They're all pretty experienced players now as well. Tempting fate, but both DMac and Reiko look way more solid and mature than a year or so ago.
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Same as against England on the EOYT but hopefully without the brainfarts and forwards going to sleep after 60 minutes. Keep the pressure up and don't go to sleep.
As our scrum has been pretty good, I'd imagine they'll try and use that and the driving maul near the line. DMac's kicking has been good in SR, so perhaps we'll be better and more confident in that department (is key as @MiketheSnow points out)
Expect Narawa to do a Telea and cause all sorts of problems for Argentina
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Same as against England on the EOYT but hopefully without the brainfarts and forwards going to sleep after 60 minutes. Keep the pressure up and don't go to sleep.
As our scrum has been pretty good, I'd imagine they'll try and use that and the driving maul near the line. DMac's kicking has been good in SR, so perhaps we'll be better and more confident in that department (is key as @MiketheSnow points out)
Expect Narawa to do a Telea and cause all sorts of problems for Argentina
The amount of Allblack wingers who score on debut is unreal.
I expect Emoni to get a double.
Wont get to see the game as I’m going to the red hot chili peppers in Madrid.
Off to find a bar to watch SA v AUS now before hand.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Same as against England on the EOYT but hopefully without the brainfarts and forwards going to sleep after 60 minutes. Keep the pressure up and don't go to sleep.
As our scrum has been pretty good, I'd imagine they'll try and use that and the driving maul near the line. DMac's kicking has been good in SR, so perhaps we'll be better and more confident in that department (is key as @MiketheSnow points out)
Expect Narawa to do a Telea and cause all sorts of problems for Argentina
The amount of Allblack wingers who score on debut is unreal.
I expect Emoni to get a double.
Wont get to see the game as I’m going to the red hot chili peppers in Madrid.
Off to find a bar to watch SA v AUS now before hand.
@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Wont get to see the game as I’m going to the red hot chili peppers in Madrid.
The charmed lives some of us live.....
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@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Wont get to see the game as I’m going to the red hot chili peppers in Madrid.
The charmed lives some of us live.....
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Wont get to see the game as I’m going to the red hot chili peppers in Madrid.
The charmed lives some of us live.....
Victor I’m in a heap.
4 days on the ale here so far. The black keys and queens of the stone age last night.Hanging around for the Arctic monkeys on Tuesday too.
I’m in rag order. 38 degrees c.
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I'm on the Amalfi coast and will watch by reading the melts on here
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I'm on the Amalfi coast and will watch by reading the melts on here
@mariner4life I spent a holiday at Marina del Cantone down there. It was rather good, not least the food.
Surprising number of Michelin stars down there.
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Conta dei Marini
Beautiful
