Ashes 2023
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Yeah. On here. Check the next post after yours
On the subject of talking oneself up, I have found some of the comments a bit cringey, but take out Robinson’s utterings and there’s not that much to get frothy about. He has been embarrassing though.
I have to say I’m not sold on him at all. His averages seem pretty good so far but he doesn’t make me feel particularly confident as he trundles up to deliver the ball. I wouldn’t play him together with Anderson and Broad and I still wouldn’t pick him over either of them.
@Catogrande he looks like he’ll be out for the fourth. They can’t afford to carry him with any hint of niggle given Stokes is not bowling. Jimmy back in.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@nzzp said in Ashes 2023:
@Machpants said in Ashes 2023:
I'm not bitter, I just hate cheats.
So, with absolutism you'd include Martin Crowe and Chris Pringle on your hate list? They took a bottle cap on the field to scratch the ball up
As well as Atherton of course, with the dirt in the pocket.
Firstly, I feel there are degrees. It’s first class sport and as @NTA said, there are no angels. The sandpaper thing was just too much of a thing and it was not one bloke cheating, it was an orchestrated strategy. But the worst thing was that Smith and Warner bullied the younger guy into doing their dirty work and hung him out to dry. Those two fluffybunnies are back in the team and Bancroft has lost his whole career.
It’s fucking shameful.
Coming very late to this but...
While I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, the reality is Bancroft made a return to First Class cricket as soon as his ban was over. He scored 141 in the Sheffield Sheild Final four months ago to help WA clinch the title. He has played for, and captained, Durham and was recalled to the Test side for the last Ashes series in England. He played the first two tests but was dropped because of poor form.
I agree he was treated shamefully and that Smith & Warner got off lightly, but Bancroft has not lost his entire career. He scored over 900 runs @60 in the last Shield season so has to be in the running for an Aussie recall when Warner fucks off.
@dogmeat but his name rarely gets a mention though. They are still talking about Marcus Harris. Now he’s okay and at least been playing County, but how many lives…
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@nzzp said in Ashes 2023:
@Machpants said in Ashes 2023:
I'm not bitter, I just hate cheats.
So, with absolutism you'd include Martin Crowe and Chris Pringle on your hate list? They took a bottle cap on the field to scratch the ball up
As well as Atherton of course, with the dirt in the pocket.
Firstly, I feel there are degrees. It’s first class sport and as @NTA said, there are no angels. The sandpaper thing was just too much of a thing and it was not one bloke cheating, it was an orchestrated strategy. But the worst thing was that Smith and Warner bullied the younger guy into doing their dirty work and hung him out to dry. Those two fluffybunnies are back in the team and Bancroft has lost his whole career.
It’s fucking shameful.
Coming very late to this but...
While I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, the reality is Bancroft made a return to First Class cricket as soon as his ban was over. He scored 141 in the Sheffield Sheild Final four months ago to help WA clinch the title. He has played for, and captained, Durham and was recalled to the Test side for the last Ashes series in England. He played the first two tests but was dropped because of poor form.
I agree he was treated shamefully and that Smith & Warner got off lightly, but Bancroft has not lost his entire career. He scored over 900 runs @60 in the last Shield season so has to be in the running for an Aussie recall when Warner fucks off.
@dogmeat You won't get far bringing facts to the Fern.
For tension this series has echoes of 2005 but both sides seem to be a significant downgrade on those teams. Australia's attack is well suited to bowling in Australia (not enough bounce in the 3 tests to date) and has lost their key spinner - England's attack is better suited to bowling in England but is either too old or too unfit. Batting line-ups both look shaky but England's strategy of attack suits their current crop of fixed feet and a good eye merchants. Aus are in transition batting wise and need a new opener (and probably 2 soon).
And it was a good test for Kane at the head of the rankings as only Head of the 4 immediately behind him made a score - while he could keep practicing his forward defensive at home
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
We did make up a really cool song worthy of the best the Barmy Army could come up with though.
It's a shame that it'll never make sense to the rest of the world.
If you explain the joke, it isn't funny any more.
But……again……well done England. I didn’t think they could do it but they did. They’ve well and truly brought the series to life. This neutral is loving it.
Warner is absolutely done. Is Steve Smith following the same path ? Only averaging a pathetic 58 now.
As for loose bus change perhaps he was never that good to start with and just had a freakish start to his career that is petering off now ?
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
But……again……well done England. I didn’t think they could do it but they did. They’ve well and truly brought the series to life. This neutral is loving it.
Australia did bloody well to win the first match - getting 60 runs from Cummins and Lyon is frankly ridiculous.
The first two tests were all about how the tail enders performend in the fourth innings; Australia's stood up, England's didn't and so it was 2-0. Could have been a reasonable 1-1 or even 2-0 England if they squeezed out a few extra. It's not 2005 (which I was in England for, and loved) - but it is a damn good fun series with both sides throwing away advantages.
Look, whatever Bazball is, if the crowds keep coming and people keep watching, it's a success. It's getting a slightly inferior team to perform, and that's impressive. Roll on Test 4, and I wish I didn't have to sleep so I could settle in and watch it!
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@nzzp said in Ashes 2023:
@Machpants said in Ashes 2023:
I'm not bitter, I just hate cheats.
So, with absolutism you'd include Martin Crowe and Chris Pringle on your hate list? They took a bottle cap on the field to scratch the ball up
As well as Atherton of course, with the dirt in the pocket.
Firstly, I feel there are degrees. It’s first class sport and as @NTA said, there are no angels. The sandpaper thing was just too much of a thing and it was not one bloke cheating, it was an orchestrated strategy. But the worst thing was that Smith and Warner bullied the younger guy into doing their dirty work and hung him out to dry. Those two fluffybunnies are back in the team and Bancroft has lost his whole career.
It’s fucking shameful.
Coming very late to this but...
While I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, the reality is Bancroft made a return to First Class cricket as soon as his ban was over. He scored 141 in the Sheffield Sheild Final four months ago to help WA clinch the title. He has played for, and captained, Durham and was recalled to the Test side for the last Ashes series in England. He played the first two tests but was dropped because of poor form.
I agree he was treated shamefully and that Smith & Warner got off lightly, but Bancroft has not lost his entire career. He scored over 900 runs @60 in the last Shield season so has to be in the running for an Aussie recall when Warner fucks off.
Ok a bit of an exaggeration so fair point, but the real two antagonists have been a lot more, shall we say, fortunate?
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There’s not much between these sides at all. It lacks the quality and charisma of 2005, but for sheer entertainment and unpredictablity this series so far has been the best. Three Tests full of twists and turns that went down to the wire and easily could have gone either way. If Agatha Christie had devised a Test Series it would have been this one. Really looking forward to Tests 4 and 5.
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@MajorPom said in Ashes 2023:
Am away at mo but saw what was needed last day and thought pre Ashes England it’s a walk in the park. This current England woujd struggle.
Glad to see the win, keeps the series alive and gives a staunch middle finger to the 5-nil ers who never gave England cricket any credit despite a year of superb results.
Oz still strong faves for series but Poms alive!
Surely Bairstow is done for a bit.
Yeah, it's funny seeing all this stuff about how bazball is shite, how much better Aus are as a team, how much better they are man for man than England and then how shit England have been playing, how so many guys have thrown their wicket away and yet we have had three very close matches.
@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
how much better Aus are as a team, how much better they are man for man than England
I'll put my hand up and say I was saying this earlier in the series but the teams for test 3 were different to the teams at the start of the series
Wood vs Anderson for example
In 1 test Wood got man of the match bowling 150k+ heat getting 7 wickets and 40 runs.
In 2 tests combined Anderson got 3 wickets and 15 runs.
Meanwhile Murphy got 9 overs to bowl in the whole of test 3 - the first time in 100 tests they have had to play without Lyon.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
how much better Aus are as a team, how much better they are man for man than England
I'll put my hand up and say I was saying this earlier in the series but the teams for test 3 were different to the teams at the start of the series
Wood vs Anderson for example
In 1 test Wood got man of the match bowling 150k+ heat getting 7 wickets and 40 runs.
In 2 tests combined Anderson got 3 wickets and 15 runs.
Meanwhile Murphy got 9 overs to bowl in the whole of test 3 - the first time in 100 tests they have had to play without Lyon.
And yet… the first two tests were very close and could have gone either way- just like the third.
In all three tests you could probably take out one decision or piece of play and the result is likely different.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
how much better Aus are as a team, how much better they are man for man than England
I'll put my hand up and say I was saying this earlier in the series but the teams for test 3 were different to the teams at the start of the series
Wood vs Anderson for example
In 1 test Wood got man of the match bowling 150k+ heat getting 7 wickets and 40 runs.
In 2 tests combined Anderson got 3 wickets and 15 runs.
Meanwhile Murphy got 9 overs to bowl in the whole of test 3 - the first time in 100 tests they have had to play without Lyon.
Anyway. Apology accepted.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
But……again……well done England. I didn’t think they could do it but they did. They’ve well and truly brought the series to life. This neutral is loving it.
Australia did bloody well to win the first match - getting 60 runs from Cummins and Lyon is frankly ridiculous.
The first two tests were all about how the tail enders performend in the fourth innings; Australia's stood up, England's didn't and so it was 2-0. Could have been a reasonable 1-1 or even 2-0 England if they squeezed out a few extra. It's not 2005 (which I was in England for, and loved) - but it is a damn good fun series with both sides throwing away advantages.
Look, whatever Bazball is, if the crowds keep coming and people keep watching, it's a success. It's getting a slightly inferior team to perform, and that's impressive. Roll on Test 4, and I wish I didn't have to sleep so I could settle in and watch it!
@nzzp said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
Look, whatever Bazball is, if the crowds keep coming and people keep watching, it's a success. It's getting a slightly inferior team to perform, and that's impressive. Roll on Test 4, and I wish I didn't have to sleep so I could settle in and watch it!
They always get full houses for the Ashes and England haven't lost a series to Australia in England for over 20 years - minnows they were not before BMac and the 2 squads are very similar to 4 years ago.
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@nzzp said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
Look, whatever Bazball is, if the crowds keep coming and people keep watching, it's a success. It's getting a slightly inferior team to perform, and that's impressive. Roll on Test 4, and I wish I didn't have to sleep so I could settle in and watch it!
They always get full houses for the Ashes and England haven't lost a series to Australia in England for over 20 years - minnows they were not before BMac and the 2 squads are very similar to 4 years ago.
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From various comments either a form slump, now due, or because he's been all but opening the batting...
https://twitter.com/SEN_Cricket/status/1678697637783171072?s=20
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@Donsteppa I think I remember him living a charmed life early in his career. He may have been been dropped more than Nicholls one year which is some feat. He's got a lot of talent but still plenty of work ons.
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Bairstow lives a charmed life. A keeper as a coach and they don't seem to value wicketkeeping.
It seems odd to this Englishman too. I'd want Bairstow in the side for his middle order batting but would prefer Foakes behind the stumps. It is just how to shoehorn them both in. Ideally you don't want Bairstow batting any higher than 5 or Foakes any higher than 6, so who do you leave out?
With pope gone do you put Root up to 3 and Brook to 4? Not sure I'd want that. Moeen is not a test 3.
I see it as a narrow call either way between Bairstow and Foakes with the actual problem being who come is at first drop.
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So if the rumours are correct Warner is safe and the last decision is a choice between Green or Murphy
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that's an incredibly strong batting lineup. Cummins at 10?
and very interesting to not have a spinner.
