All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2
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My big worry is that we don’t have the depth of other contenders, especially in the pack and key positions like 9.
We really can’t afford to lose too many of our top players to injury, but of course, that is a lottery.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
My big worry is that we don’t have the depth of other contenders, especially in the pack and key positions like 9.
We really can’t afford to lose too many of our top players to injury, but of course, that is a lottery.
I actually think we could do with one or two getting injured so Fozzie is forced into giving certain players a chance.
Stevenson, Jordan at 15. Roigard.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Outstanding game. Both teams playing to their strengths with the AB’s able to assert their game plan for longer periods of time. Momentum swung back to the Boks when the bomb squad came on but in the end AB’s were too good.
Frizell continues to impress all round at 6, lineout, tight work, defence, running game. He really has been outstanding and proving doubters like myself wrong. I’m happy to be wrong as long as he’s playing this well.
Welcome back Mr Jordan and they just have to find a spot for him whether 14 or 15. Great prob they have with so much talent in back 3.
The pack in general were excellent. Played tight, always connected, excellent body position in contact and ruck/maul. Couple of wobbly scrums but that’s to be expected against a superb scrummaging team like the Boks.
I think you are over egging it with 'always connected' because the middle period the abs were not in the slightest in sync. But it was a good effort at the end to keep the lead when I thought they would get smashed
@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Outstanding game. Both teams playing to their strengths with the AB’s able to assert their game plan for longer periods of time. Momentum swung back to the Boks when the bomb squad came on but in the end AB’s were too good.
Frizell continues to impress all round at 6, lineout, tight work, defence, running game. He really has been outstanding and proving doubters like myself wrong. I’m happy to be wrong as long as he’s playing this well.
Welcome back Mr Jordan and they just have to find a spot for him whether 14 or 15. Great prob they have with so much talent in back 3.
The pack in general were excellent. Played tight, always connected, excellent body position in contact and ruck/maul. Couple of wobbly scrums but that’s to be expected against a superb scrummaging team like the Boks.
I think you are over egging it with 'always connected' because the middle period the abs were not in the slightest in sync. But it was a good effort at the end to keep the lead when I thought they would get smashed
Just because they weren’t dominant doesn’t mean they weren’t connected in defence etc. When momentum swing against you it’s hard to maintain cohesiveness but the AB’s did that.
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@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
Jordie had a huge punt down the middle in the first half. Was pleased as punch with that.
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@voodoo I've given you a slightly mixed answer.
I don't think Frizz is necessarily locked into the 6 jumper for the big games at RWC. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the preferred plan is still ScottB at 6. Shannon has given them another option to think about.
On DMac, I've never thought he's been much of a chance to supplant Richie this year, even though there's not that much to choose between them. He's possibly more of a chance to supplant Beaudy at fullback, but even then, I think not.
A bench of Christie/Roigard, DMac and ALB would cover most options though.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo I've given you a slightly mixed answer.
I don't think Frizz is necessarily locked into the 6 jumper for the big games at RWC. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the preferred plan is still ScottB at 6. Shannon has given them another option to think about.
On DMac, I've never thought he's been much of a chance to supplant Richie this year, even though there's not that much to choose between them. He's possibly more of a chance to supplant Beaudy at fullback, but even then, I think not.
A bench of Christie/Roigard, DMac and ALB would cover most options though.
Christie’s first kick was terrible. But he redeemed himself by holding up their halfback in a tackle. Generally I think others are better but it seems with his work rate in general play he is now locked in.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
Yep me too. Two games in a row he’s been excellent. I loved his footwork before contact which got him over gain line.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
Jordie had a huge punt down the middle in the first half. Was pleased as punch with that.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
Jordie had a huge punt down the middle in the first half. Was pleased as punch with that.
How about that drop kick from under their posts? 60M on the fly.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
Agree. When we we lost momentum we should have kicked long. That time in the 2nd half when BB got the ball with time, then put up a bomb which wasn’t too bad, but no body was chasing so ended up being an easy turnover in our half when we needed to ease pressure.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
Agree. When we we lost momentum we should have kicked long. That time in the 2nd half when BB got the ball with time, then put up a bomb which wasn’t too bad, but no body was chasing so ended up being an easy turnover in our half when we needed to ease pressure.
@kev said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
Agree. When we we lost momentum we should have kicked long. That time in the 2nd half when BB got the ball with time, then put up a bomb which wasn’t too bad, but no body was chasing so ended up being an easy turnover in our half when we needed to ease pressure.
I actually thought that bomb was put up under pressure - as in he took that option as he didn't have the space and time to do a long kick. (If it's the same one I'm thinking of).
Anyway, I will check when I do a rewatch.
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So 2 questions:
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what does that Frizell performance mean for Scooter? Is he on the bench now? Or are we going to do the unthinkable and make a choice between BBBR and SW? I assume Scooter goes to the bench.
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what does the last 2 weeks mean for DMac? I suspect that in the selectors eyes, the collective performances of WJ and BB in particular will have them as incumbents to start at 14/15, and they might see WJ as 15 cover and BB as 10 cover. Clearly RM did enough to cement the starting 10 jumper both in general play and from the tee. Could be a 2-back bench with ALB and [insert a non-ginger HB here], or if we take a 3rd, could be a Narawa type (though probably Clarke knowing the reluctance to switch up). I’d love it to be Stevenson but that’s not happening. I’m any case, his chance of being in the 23 slipped a little last night I think.
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
So 2 questions:
- what does that Frizell performance mean for Scooter? Is he on the bench now? Or are we going to do the unthinkable and make a choice between BBBR and SW? I assume Scooter goes to the bench.
IMO Scooter is a bolted on starter. Either way I wouldn’t mind them rotating the other two to keep them fresh for the RWC, I just think the way Scooter has been playing they can’t leave him out. Whether he has a 4, 5 or 6 on his back, he is now playing the tight game at a high level that we need.
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Minute....14/15? Jordan dropped a sitter again earlier, but ran a great little ditty for the Frizzel try.
Which gets better every replay by the way
@Bones said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Minute....14/15? Jordan dropped a sitter again earlier, but ran a great little ditty for the Frizzel try.
Which gets better every replay by the way
Not for Le Roux though, he must be the most frustrating Bok for their fans-awesomely rocks and diamonds player.
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Best ABs opening 20 since handing Ireland a ¼ final exit. Frizzell was sensational in that period. Cane is also playing very well and I think it helps ardie having frizzell doing some of the hard yards. A bit worrying that SA came back we need other bench options then Vaai and papalii in my opinion. Jordan and telea are light years better than Clarke. We might actually have a chance in France, especially if we can negotiate our ¼ final.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Best ABs opening 20 since handing Ireland a ¼ final exit. Frizzell was sensational in that period. Cane is also playing very well and I think it helps ardie having frizzell doing some of the hard yards. A bit worrying that SA came back we need other bench options then Vaai and papalii in my opinion. Jordan and telea are light years better than Clarke. We might actually have a chance in France, especially if we can negotiate our ¼ final.
Seemed to me the Boks were paying all their attention to Ardie (esp Etzebeth who was lucky not to be carded) and never expected Frizzel to be so dynamic. I knew Shannon had those carries in him but I didn't expect his distribution to be so good. He gets a 9 from me (a few mildly stupid penalties that if Akira had done them would have sent this forum into a meltdown).
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
Jordie had a huge punt down the middle in the first half. Was pleased as punch with that.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 at least we are actually contesting the contestables now eh? For so long we were putting up those same short high kicks then barely even chasing them
️Did you notice though, when we were being smothered and pushed back, we were just that little bit less able to contest as well as we did earlier?
That was the point where we should have put the contestable bombs away
The problem being though, we were going nowhere at a rate of knots, even going backwards. They had no idea what else to do. If only we had someone with a raking boot.
BB and JB can kick a long way. We just never utilised them
Jordie had a huge punt down the middle in the first half. Was pleased as punch with that.
There were a few very big punts last night.
I still think the contestable kick is all about unsettling the opposition. We recovered a number last night with some Howlett / Bender like chasing from our outside backs and even Mo’unga on two occasions.
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Can I just say that despite the scraps (esp in the first half) the Bok wingers played really well? And in the first half BB was pretty darn average as a defensive 15?
My favorite moments of the match were when Smith passed into the vast lumbering backsides of the slowly retreating Bok props and then the camera panned to them to reveal their "What the hell happened [moment], don't they know I am Mongo?" stunned expressions.
Oh and I think I prefer Narawa to Telea but it's early days. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo I've given you a slightly mixed answer.
I don't think Frizz is necessarily locked into the 6 jumper for the big games at RWC. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the preferred plan is still ScottB at 6. Shannon has given them another option to think about.
On DMac, I've never thought he's been much of a chance to supplant Richie this year, even though there's not that much to choose between them. He's possibly more of a chance to supplant Beaudy at fullback, but even then, I think not.
A bench of Christie/Roigard, DMac and ALB would cover most options though.
Christie’s first kick was terrible. But he redeemed himself by holding up their halfback in a tackle. Generally I think others are better but it seems with his work rate in general play he is now locked in.
@kev said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@voodoo I've given you a slightly mixed answer.
I don't think Frizz is necessarily locked into the 6 jumper for the big games at RWC. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the preferred plan is still ScottB at 6. Shannon has given them another option to think about.
On DMac, I've never thought he's been much of a chance to supplant Richie this year, even though there's not that much to choose between them. He's possibly more of a chance to supplant Beaudy at fullback, but even then, I think not.
A bench of Christie/Roigard, DMac and ALB would cover most options though.
Christie’s first kick was terrible. But he redeemed himself by holding up their halfback in a tackle. Generally I think others are better but it seems with his work rate in general play he is now locked in.
Yeah - I thought Finlay went pretty well. Better than the previous week.
I thought Roigard really looked the business in Super rugby, though. With a couple of good performances in the bag, I want to see us maintain momentum, win the RC and lock away the Bled, in the next match - but, we also need to take a few risks and run a few experiments. I'd be inclined to start Roigard as one of those - Finlay on the bench.
Assuming the Bled gets locked away in Melbourne, Fozzie can pretty much do what he likes in the return match in Dunedin and the final hit out vs SA.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
I think people are getting too defensive about Beaudy. He was fine today bar the odd miracle play.
The contention some people have is that Jordan and or Stevenson my have an even higher ceiling in the 15 shirt.
I certainly think Jordan does, and I want him getting his hand on the ball as much as possible in a game. Other teams may even second guess kicking to him.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
I think people are getting too defensive about Beaudy. He was fine today bar the odd miracle play.
The contention some people have is that Jordan and or Stevenson my have an even higher ceiling in the 15 shirt.
I certainly think Jordan does, and I want him getting his hand on the ball as much as possible in a game. Other teams may even second guess kicking to him.
@Steve said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@booboo I'm watching the game now wondering the same thing. I personally think he's been very good. Just the usual suspects I guess who are so used to criticizing the guy.
Hard to pick any faults out there tbh.
Yep it's like that once there is blood in the water. Gets petty and myopic. But I would 100% agree on his exits and clearing kicks in general. Have been poo forever.
Having just watched the game I'll happily admit I was wrong about Frizell. There was something Kainoesque about him last night.
I think people are getting too defensive about Beaudy. He was fine today bar the odd miracle play.
The contention some people have is that Jordan and or Stevenson my have an even higher ceiling in the 15 shirt.
I certainly think Jordan does, and I want him getting his hand on the ball as much as possible in a game. Other teams may even second guess kicking to him.
Will Jordan is doing TODAY the kind of stuff that Beaudy did in 2016.
The crest on the front is more important than any name on the back.
