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Australia v All Blacks - Bled I

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    • I like the idea of Whitelock coming on with 15 to go as a calm head to close it out, whether it be for a tiring Retallick, or for extra discipline over Scott Barrett.

    • If McLeod's parents are on the plane, would be a fair indication he is playing - I'd expect him to be on the bench... I'd personally like the midfield left as is, I know ALB has struggled with a bit of illness the past week so perhaps he wasn't considered ready for a return?

    • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

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    • frugbyF frugby
      • I like the idea of Whitelock coming on with 15 to go as a calm head to close it out, whether it be for a tiring Retallick, or for extra discipline over Scott Barrett.

      • If McLeod's parents are on the plane, would be a fair indication he is playing - I'd expect him to be on the bench... I'd personally like the midfield left as is, I know ALB has struggled with a bit of illness the past week so perhaps he wasn't considered ready for a return?

      • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

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      @frugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

      • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

      I know which debutant I would prefer to make the RWC squad. The only way McLeod is in France is at the expense of Ennor and/or Havili.

      I'll be interested in which winger misses out in the XV - Telea or Clarke.

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        @frugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

        • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

        I know which debutant I would prefer to make the RWC squad. The only way McLeod is in France is at the expense of Ennor and/or Havili.

        I'll be interested in which winger misses out in the XV - Telea or Clarke.

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        @Bovidae There was a headline about being bold... perhaps Fozzy and co. really don't see the Aussies as a threat, and are confident worst case scenario they can trolley them under the roof.

        Starting backline will be unchanged I'd think... would they go with McLeod and ALB on the bench?

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          There is some rationale for using this match to rotate the midfield given the disruption to the Wallaby midfield. I wonder if Rieko is given a week off. I'd prefer not.

          DMac at 15 could be another option meaning bench for both alb and dallas.

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            Narawa wont play (not fit), Leister maybe (only deemed fit this week), Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him) . Macleod hasn't played. ALB hasn't played. Coach doesn't award participation awards though as we have seen previously. So maybe not too many changes in starting backline, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 or 2 changes at max

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              I'd hope we would keep our current starting midfield to give them more time to gel and that McLeod will be on the bench.

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                It's good to see they are involving some of our greats too!!

                Given the coverage they are getting, it makes you think they havent done this before, and even more, why not?

                He's also worked closely with All Blacks great Conrad Smith, who's been with the team this week to share advice on his area of expertise for a very eager audience in a coaching cameo at Mt Smart.
                Smith won two World Cups as part of an iconic tandem with second-five Ma'a Nonu in 2011 and 2015, before stepping away from test rugby and opening the door for Lienert-Brown as his successor.
                "It's awesome to have a legend like him in the group," Lienert-Brown noted. "He doesn't say a lot, but I think when he does say something, it's pretty special and obviously the [midfielders] take that on board.
                "Just having his presence around the group is massive."

                https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/07/rugby-world-cup-anton-lienert-brown-leans-on-all-blacks-great-conrad-smith-before-potential-test-comeback.html

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  It's good to see they are involving some of our greats too!!

                  Given the coverage they are getting, it makes you think they havent done this before, and even more, why not?

                  He's also worked closely with All Blacks great Conrad Smith, who's been with the team this week to share advice on his area of expertise for a very eager audience in a coaching cameo at Mt Smart.
                  Smith won two World Cups as part of an iconic tandem with second-five Ma'a Nonu in 2011 and 2015, before stepping away from test rugby and opening the door for Lienert-Brown as his successor.
                  "It's awesome to have a legend like him in the group," Lienert-Brown noted. "He doesn't say a lot, but I think when he does say something, it's pretty special and obviously the [midfielders] take that on board.
                  "Just having his presence around the group is massive."

                  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/07/rugby-world-cup-anton-lienert-brown-leans-on-all-blacks-great-conrad-smith-before-potential-test-comeback.html

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                  @taniwharugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                  It's good to see they are involving some of our greats too!!

                  Given the coverage they are getting, it makes you think they havent done this before, and even more, why not?

                  Given our success against the boks Sir Ritchie should be flown to Europe for every pre game session later this year 😉

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                    Sounds like it could be 9 McDermott 10 Gordon 13 Petaia 15 Kellaway and 23 Perese for the Wallabies.

                    I think it's the right call. I can see Wallabies wide game stressing the ABs defence.

                    https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/07/26/exclusive-carters-meteoric-rise-continues-with-young-gun-replacing-quade-at-no-10-tate-set-to-start/

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                      Sounds like it could be 9 McDermott 10 Gordon 13 Petaia 15 Kellaway and 23 Perese for the Wallabies.

                      I think it's the right call. I can see Wallabies wide game stressing the ABs defence.

                      https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/07/26/exclusive-carters-meteoric-rise-continues-with-young-gun-replacing-quade-at-no-10-tate-set-to-start/

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                      @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                      Sounds like it could be 9 McDermott 10 Gordon 13 Petaia 15 Kellaway and 23 Perese for the Wallabies.

                      I think it's the right call. I can see Wallabies wide game stressing the ABs defence.

                      https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/07/26/exclusive-carters-meteoric-rise-continues-with-young-gun-replacing-quade-at-no-10-tate-set-to-start/

                      Ah, you see Clarke playing?

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                        They've got to give Gordon a shot, Cooper known quantity of average performance.

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                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/we-might-just-see-him-stevenson-tipped-for-all-black-debut/

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                            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/we-might-just-see-him-stevenson-tipped-for-all-black-debut/

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                            @Tim JK doesnt have a great track record for inside knowledge does he...

                            When is the team flying out, tomorrow?

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                              Narawa wont play (not fit), Leister maybe (only deemed fit this week), Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him) . Macleod hasn't played. ALB hasn't played. Coach doesn't award participation awards though as we have seen previously. So maybe not too many changes in starting backline, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 or 2 changes at max

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                              @bayimports said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                              Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him)

                              I'd question that. Of the outside backs he was the last chosen after (in mo particular order) Barrett, Barrett, Jordan, MacKenzie, Telea, Narawa, Clarke...

                              He's just not the priority.

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                                @bayimports said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him)

                                I'd question that. Of the outside backs he was the last chosen after (in mo particular order) Barrett, Barrett, Jordan, MacKenzie, Telea, Narawa, Clarke...

                                He's just not the priority.

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                                @booboo
                                yep I think JK is talking out of his arse again

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                                  @booboo
                                  yep I think JK is talking out of his arse again

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                                  @Chris was actually questioning @bayimports assertion that he won't play because "the coaches don't like him".

                                  He won't play cause he's not quite high enough in their plans.

                                  Does fit with the JK story too though.

                                  Being the best winger in the world doesn't make you a good analyst I'm afraid.

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                                    @bayimports said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                    Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him)

                                    I'd question that. Of the outside backs he was the last chosen after (in mo particular order) Barrett, Barrett, Jordan, MacKenzie, Telea, Narawa, Clarke...

                                    He's just not the priority.

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                                    @booboo said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                    @bayimports said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                    Stevenson in squad wont play (coaches don't like him)

                                    I'd question that. Of the outside backs he was the last chosen after (in mo particular order) Barrett, Barrett, Jordan, MacKenzie, Telea, Narawa, Clarke...

                                    He's just not the priority.

                                    You must be playing Captain Obvious today 😁, it’s the same thing in my mind. He was chosen as cover only, so for me is always last priority. That part of the comment was referencing why was arguably super rugby’s best fullback not selected initially and then only making it as cover only.

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                                    • frugbyF frugby
                                      • I like the idea of Whitelock coming on with 15 to go as a calm head to close it out, whether it be for a tiring Retallick, or for extra discipline over Scott Barrett.

                                      • If McLeod's parents are on the plane, would be a fair indication he is playing - I'd expect him to be on the bench... I'd personally like the midfield left as is, I know ALB has struggled with a bit of illness the past week so perhaps he wasn't considered ready for a return?

                                      • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

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                                      @frugby said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

                                      • I thought Roigard would make the bench, but would be ballsy to have two debutants as back reserves

                                      I would start him.

                                      Nuggie needs to go into a bit of cotton wool and Fozzie needs to see how Roigard copes with a pressure test match.

                                      This one has the Bled Cup in play, so it may be our last live one before RWC.

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                                        1 Bell
                                        2 Porecki
                                        3 AAA
                                        4 Philip
                                        5 Skelton
                                        6 Swinton
                                        7 McReight
                                        8 Valentini
                                        9 McDermott
                                        10 Gordon
                                        11 Koroibete
                                        12 Kerevi
                                        13 Petaia
                                        14 Marky Mark
                                        15 Kellaway

                                        16 Faessler
                                        17 Slipper
                                        18 Tupou
                                        19 Frost
                                        20 Samu
                                        21 White
                                        22 Quade
                                        23 Hodge

                                        Dunno. Just guessing based on the scuttlebutt

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                                        • NTAN NTA

                                          1 Bell
                                          2 Porecki
                                          3 AAA
                                          4 Philip
                                          5 Skelton
                                          6 Swinton
                                          7 McReight
                                          8 Valentini
                                          9 McDermott
                                          10 Gordon
                                          11 Koroibete
                                          12 Kerevi
                                          13 Petaia
                                          14 Marky Mark
                                          15 Kellaway

                                          16 Faessler
                                          17 Slipper
                                          18 Tupou
                                          19 Frost
                                          20 Samu
                                          21 White
                                          22 Quade
                                          23 Hodge

                                          Dunno. Just guessing based on the scuttlebutt

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                                          @NTA Is Swinton even in the squad? He got carded for Aus A....

                                          Also - Hodge isn't in the squad - neither is Pete Samu

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