Otago 2023
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I'm very well aware of where TUJ is from. It is about 10 minutes drive from where I'm sitting in my lounge. He is not in the top five players in the squad though. Four other players toured with the NZ XV. Couldn't care about your success. My distain for Wellington goes back to the Hurricanes and their 'rock star' backline in the late 90s and early 00s. Growing up, seeing a team constantly being talked up. While generally failing miserably. Well buddy, good luck with your Wellington side, on a different level. I'll just enjoy watching my shithouse side. I'll slow down on the Wellington baiting. I can see there are some sensitivities.
@SouthernMann jeez someone holds a grudge. If you’re not a fan of Wellington why the fuck do you care so much? Us Wellington fans are the ones that have been heartbroken time and time again. Boohoo if we decide to celebrate after finally getting over the line.
You’re just highlighting your maturity. It’s all good to fire banter back and forwards in good fun but the fact you just straight out disrespect Wellington in most of your posts and don’t expect a response is pretty laughable. I wouldn’t call it being sensitive, I just think it’s so cringe that you go out of your way to wind people up the way you do.
And yes, on form it’s pretty obvious that TUJ is one of your most potent players alongside Nareki.
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On form TUJ is one of our most potent players? At his best may be. He finished the Super season on the bench. Lio-Willie won the Super championship. Nareki, Gilbert, Ainsley, Dickson/Holland and Withy are likely to be more influential in their positions. The post that wound you up today, the triggering content was one sentence. The rest was all about the side I think will line up in round 1. I said statements like it is up to the player (Roigard) if he wants to leave the Canes. That the Chiefs are likely to be in a better position to win championships. That if he was to leave it would be the same as Lomax leaving the Landers to go to the Hurricanes. In the future I will only make factual statements about Wellington and the Canes. Which I think those all were. You're the only team I really care about beating. Just like others enjoy beating Canterbury, Auckland or other sides. I wish your side all the best. I support the Wellington cricket side as a second team in summer. Great Otago influence in there too! So nothing about any anger about the region I've found myself living in. Although the weather is shit.
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On form TUJ is one of our most potent players? At his best may be. He finished the Super season on the bench. Lio-Willie won the Super championship. Nareki, Gilbert, Ainsley, Dickson/Holland and Withy are likely to be more influential in their positions. The post that wound you up today, the triggering content was one sentence. The rest was all about the side I think will line up in round 1. I said statements like it is up to the player (Roigard) if he wants to leave the Canes. That the Chiefs are likely to be in a better position to win championships. That if he was to leave it would be the same as Lomax leaving the Landers to go to the Hurricanes. In the future I will only make factual statements about Wellington and the Canes. Which I think those all were. You're the only team I really care about beating. Just like others enjoy beating Canterbury, Auckland or other sides. I wish your side all the best. I support the Wellington cricket side as a second team in summer. Great Otago influence in there too! So nothing about any anger about the region I've found myself living in. Although the weather is shit.
@SouthernMann I’m getting confused, you keep referring to the Landers, then the Canes, then Wellington, then Otago. For me TUJ has been one of Otago’s best when not injured. I’m certainly happy when Wellington are playing Otago and he’s not listed in the match day squad. Yeah you’re probably right, his fitness didn’t look up to scratch for the Landers this year but if he can get on top of things he can be devastating. And for your sake and the hopes of Otago doing well this year, I hope he can reach peak performance again.
Fair call, I’ve got similar grudges against Canterbury because of all the shit I’ve copped from family members over the years so any time we beat them it’s definitely satisfying. You have every right to have opinions on that sort of stuff, it’s the little digs towards Wellington that you seem to include in your posts on a regular basis and out of nowhere that are simply annoying.
Anyway, all the best to Otago in this year’s NPC. Let’s hope both teams can do all this talking on the field.
Plus, you can’t beat Welly on a good day.
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Like the new jersey
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Photos from the Otago V Southland pre-season clash. One I find interesting is the two Whaanga boys standing side by side. Matt in the Southland jersey is 188cm tall. Josh looks a couple of inches taller. Which probably has him just a bit taller than Leicester Fainga'anuku. Big tall kid who will start on the wing. Then move in to centre while he fills out. Just hope he has the pace. https://www.facebook.com/100063863314076/posts/725822189556552/?sfnsn=mo&mibextid=6aamW6
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i was a but gutted, i was back in NZ last week visiting family in queenstown, when i saw they were doing a pre season game against southland i had a brief moment of hope it was going to be in queenstown
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anyone have the breakdown of who score din the game?
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Full replay available https://fb.watch/m71vxbguBA/?mibextid=RUbZ1f
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Full replay available https://fb.watch/m71vxbguBA/?mibextid=RUbZ1f
@SouthernMann yeah, did see that but havent had the time to sit down and watch it all
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So then, our season starts today, and what are we realistically hoping/aiming for?
I think missing the quarters if a failure, and should result in Donnelly being moved on all things considered. Even with Millar, Faleafaga and Timu out injured, we still run out a decent backline, and that is something that hasn't been true in past seasons.
I expect us to be walloped today, but I'd like to see us win sort of 4/5 at Foobar, and another couple to make it six wins and a comfortable QF spot.
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i honestly have no idea, i didn't think the highlander squad looked bad pre season and look how that turned out...i just want to enjoy some rugby for a change
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As long as they play with a sensible backline and don't get too badly hit, Otago is going to have a very good forward pack and some strike weapons. Realistically, the Otago starting squad isn't that much worse than the Landers FROM this year:
- Wingham (EDG)
- Bell (Makalio)
- Ainsley
- Holland
- Dickson
- Sanders (Frizell)
- Withy (Harmon)
- Lio-Willie (Mikaele-Tu'u)
- Arscott (Smith)
- Millar (Burns)
- Nareki
- TUJ
- Te Hiwi (Timu)
- Naholo (Lowe)
- Gilbert
Loosehead Prop and blindside flanker is the only place significantly weaker... few slight drop-offs, but most of those guys are Super Rugby players. Should be a good season I'd think.
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As long as they play with a sensible backline and don't get too badly hit, Otago is going to have a very good forward pack and some strike weapons. Realistically, the Otago starting squad isn't that much worse than the Landers FROM this year:
- Wingham (EDG)
- Bell (Makalio)
- Ainsley
- Holland
- Dickson
- Sanders (Frizell)
- Withy (Harmon)
- Lio-Willie (Mikaele-Tu'u)
- Arscott (Smith)
- Millar (Burns)
- Nareki
- TUJ
- Te Hiwi (Timu)
- Naholo (Lowe)
- Gilbert
Loosehead Prop and blindside flanker is the only place significantly weaker... few slight drop-offs, but most of those guys are Super Rugby players. Should be a good season I'd think.
@frugby ....and halfback
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@frugby ....and halfback
@Kiwiwomble Yes, and halfback!
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Player development is my biggest hope.
Do we see progress from Millar, Hurley, Faleafaga, Whaanga, Wingham, the halfbacks and Stodart.
Do we have a better idea about where Gilbert's position is going forward.
If we can confidently say several of those young players have futures, then that is a huge tick in terms of the success of the season.
Results wise? Finish top five.
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Been an absolutely dreadful start... I wouldn't be worried about any of the individual players - I'd point the finger at Donnelly. These are good players, and he isn't going close to getting the best out of them - and hasn't consistently now into his third year.
We will turn it around to an extent I'm sure, but I suspect it'll be too late, as we bravely finish 9th like we do every year lol.
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Been an absolutely dreadful start... I wouldn't be worried about any of the individual players - I'd point the finger at Donnelly. These are good players, and he isn't going close to getting the best out of them - and hasn't consistently now into his third year.
We will turn it around to an extent I'm sure, but I suspect it'll be too late, as we bravely finish 9th like we do every year lol.
@frugby its a bit depressing...i cant remember the last time we (Otago or the Highlanders) actually started a season firing, our seasons are too short to reply on actual games to sort things out
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@frugby its a bit depressing...i cant remember the last time we (Otago or the Highlanders) actually started a season firing, our seasons are too short to reply on actual games to sort things out
@Kiwiwomble It's coaching though. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that the two 10s weren't available, but Sanders and Hastie not playing is a nonsense, the backline has bugger all balance to it.
TUJ and Te Hiwi are way too slow as a combo... then the combos we send them out there with effectively mean Nareki is the only one capable of breaking a game open.
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Let's look at this fairly. We lost to Ta$man by the same amount Auckland did. Wellington, despite my ribbing are one of the best teams in the comp. It will be interesting on Sunday and a good gauge as to our standing when we play against Hawke's Bay at the end of their storm week.
The selections of Sanders, Hastie and the two young 10s have baffled me a touch. Same with Hurley. While I think Gilbert is long-term a 12. For the balance of this side his best position in it is fullback.
Our pack has generally been pretty good. The scrum very good. Sanders needs to be in there. Probably on the blindside. Holland needs to be starting.
Seems there are a few easy fixes.
