All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II
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Wow Cooper has 79 tests. I have seen (or remembered) so few of those.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Wow Cooper has 79 tests. I have seen (or remembered) so few of those.
I reckon I’ve watched every one of them
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@ACT-Crusader It's certainly the biggest game Ennor has started in. So far his other test starts have been USA, Italy and Japan. As I have said, he could play the role as the direct midfield runner à la JB. He could swap around with ALB depending on the move called.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader It's certainly the biggest game Ennor has started in. So far his other test starts have been USA, Italy and Japan. As I have said, he could play the role as the direct midfield runner à la JB. He could swap around with ALB depending on the move called.
Ennor has been around long enough to know the patterns etc and with ALB's experience should do fine. This could become the 2nd starting midfield option after JB/RI.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Maybe Christie is playing for his WC spot,Weber may still be in the picture.
You could be right. but think Christie is maybe locked in as a finishing 9 and they are seeing how he goes as a starting 9. Wouldn't be surprised to see Roigard starting at Twickenham if Christie doesn't shine.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Wow Cooper has 79 tests. I have seen (or remembered) so few of those.
I reckon I’ve watched every one of them
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I reckon I’ve watched every one of them
You poor bastard.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
If Smith doesn't play his last ever test in NZ that also happens to be at his home ground, then the ABs have no soul
he'll always have the disableds..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
If Smith doesn't play his last ever test in NZ that also happens to be at his home ground, then the ABs have no soul
he'll always have the disableds..
and the afterdavid. Creating new meme words is a skill
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Wallabies named
- Angus Bell (22 Tests)
- David Porecki (13 Tests)
- Pone Fa’amausili (4 Tests)
- Nick Frost (11 Tests)
- Richie Arnold (3 Tests)
- Tom Hooper (2 Tests)
- Fraser McReight (11 Tests)
- Rob Valetini (33 Tests)
- Tate McDermott (c) (24 Tests)
- Carter Gordon (3 Tests)
- Marika Koroibete (54 Tests)
- Samu Kerevi (44 Tests)
- Jordan Petaia (26 Tests)
- Mark Nawaqanitawase (5 Tests)
- Andrew Kellaway (22 Tests)
Finishers
16. Jordan Uelese (18 Tests)
17. James Slipper (130 Tests)
18. Zane Nonggorr (1 Test)
19. Will Skelton (27 Tests)
20. Rob Leota (15 Tests)
21. Nic White (62 Tests)
22. Quade Cooper (79 Tests)
23. Izaia Perese (4 Tests)336 tests on the bench vs 277 tests starting. How times have changed for the Aussies.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Wallabies named
- Angus Bell (22 Tests)
- David Porecki (13 Tests)
- Pone Fa’amausili (4 Tests)
- Nick Frost (11 Tests)
- Richie Arnold (3 Tests)
- Tom Hooper (2 Tests)
- Fraser McReight (11 Tests)
- Rob Valetini (33 Tests)
- Tate McDermott (c) (24 Tests)
- Carter Gordon (3 Tests)
- Marika Koroibete (54 Tests)
- Samu Kerevi (44 Tests)
- Jordan Petaia (26 Tests)
- Mark Nawaqanitawase (5 Tests)
- Andrew Kellaway (22 Tests)
Finishers
16. Jordan Uelese (18 Tests)
17. James Slipper (130 Tests)
18. Zane Nonggorr (1 Test)
19. Will Skelton (27 Tests)
20. Rob Leota (15 Tests)
21. Nic White (62 Tests)
22. Quade Cooper (79 Tests)
23. Izaia Perese (4 Tests)336 tests on the bench vs 277 tests starting. How times have changed for the Aussies.
Their starting backs (and all their backs) must have more tests than ours.
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ABs= 151 + 164 = 315 Wallas= 178 + 145= 243. So slightly less starting but with Smith on the bench overall we have much more caps in the backs
@Machpants Forgot about Azza and his tests.
Your maths makes the Wallaby count look a bit low.
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Oh yeah used 22 for white, due to the lay out I was looking at, fixed. Quick count up maths E&OE
@Machpants Still not looking good!
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@Machpants Still not looking good!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Machpants Still not looking good!
LOL I give up
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Maybe Christie is playing for his WC spot,Weber may still be in the picture.
You could be right. but think Christie is maybe locked in as a finishing 9 and they are seeing how he goes as a starting 9. Wouldn't be surprised to see Roigard starting at Twickenham if Christie doesn't shine.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Maybe Christie is playing for his WC spot,Weber may still be in the picture.
You could be right. but think Christie is maybe locked in as a finishing 9 and they are seeing how he goes as a starting 9. Wouldn't be surprised to see Roigard starting at Twickenham if Christie doesn't shine.
The HB situation is an odd one for me that I can't quite get my head around.
It would seem very strange that Roigard has cemented in his spot (probably as the third HB) after 15 minutes of game time.
However it probably comes down to the reason why he was selected in the team in the first place. If he was genuinely seen as the third best HB in the country and during his time in camp and in his 15 minutes of fame has proven that then he's on the plane and Webber is at home.
If he was selected as a "development opportunity" then I don't think he's going to make it as he simply hasn't been given the game time to develop anything aside from being "comfortable in the camp".
The media I've read hasn't given me any indication as to why he was selected (maybe someone with greater reading proficiency than me has
)Personally I'd like to see him go, he's an unknown that offers some x-factor that can surprise teams at the RWC, but can't shake the feeling that Webber will get the call instead.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Maybe Christie is playing for his WC spot,Weber may still be in the picture.
You could be right. but think Christie is maybe locked in as a finishing 9 and they are seeing how he goes as a starting 9. Wouldn't be surprised to see Roigard starting at Twickenham if Christie doesn't shine.
The HB situation is an odd one for me that I can't quite get my head around.
It would seem very strange that Roigard has cemented in his spot (probably as the third HB) after 15 minutes of game time.
However it probably comes down to the reason why he was selected in the team in the first place. If he was genuinely seen as the third best HB in the country and during his time in camp and in his 15 minutes of fame has proven that then he's on the plane and Webber is at home.
If he was selected as a "development opportunity" then I don't think he's going to make it as he simply hasn't been given the game time to develop anything aside from being "comfortable in the camp".
The media I've read hasn't given me any indication as to why he was selected (maybe someone with greater reading proficiency than me has
)Personally I'd like to see him go, he's an unknown that offers some x-factor that can surprise teams at the RWC, but can't shake the feeling that Webber will get the call instead.
Foster and co seem to set great store on looking at people in camp as well as on the field (e.g Shaun Stevenson) so it's possible they've already looked at Roigard and decided he's their man to finish a game and Christie needs to prove he can start.
Nobody knows, but if Christie doesn't step up, it's poss. we could end up with a AS/BW/CR trio.
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I'm starting to wonder if we have been keeping our powder dry for the past couple of years
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Well, I was not expecting mass changes and don't believe we have ever seen this in the Foster era. Although I am happy with some of the changes I have to agree with a few comments that this many changes at once, doesn't always bring great cohesion within a team. My tinfoil hat tells me that this could also be a ploy to then use the likely incoherent backline outcome to then not select players for the RWC..
Anyway, hope they all play well giving us the depth we all want come selection time for RWC based on merit. -
I'm starting to wonder if we have been keeping our powder dry for the past couple of years
@No-Quarter sadly, winning the RWC will not undo the shite from the past 3 years under Fozzie or the shite we endured prior to that.
It is great if he was playing the very long game, but I'm not so sure, I think there has been a bit luck that forced his hand that sees us in a much better position than we have been for a few years at least.
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@No-Quarter sadly, winning the RWC will not undo the shite from the past 3 years under Fozzie or the shite we endured prior to that.
It is great if he was playing the very long game, but I'm not so sure, I think there has been a bit luck that forced his hand that sees us in a much better position than we have been for a few years at least.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
It is great if he was playing the very long game, but I'm not so sure, I think there has been a bit luck that forced his hand that sees us in a much better position than we have been for a few years at least.
i think this is unduly harsh.
Yes, there have been some very average performances. But it hasn't been as bad as some like to paint it.
But to put all change to luck isn't fair. There is no doubt that there have been lessons learned over the past 18 months. Certainly new assistants have helped, but there is a noticeable change in the way we play, and you cannot deny that there is definite growth in many individuals.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
It is great if he was playing the very long game, but I'm not so sure, I think there has been a bit luck that forced his hand that sees us in a much better position than we have been for a few years at least.
i think this is unduly harsh.
Yes, there have been some very average performances. But it hasn't been as bad as some like to paint it.
But to put all change to luck isn't fair. There is no doubt that there have been lessons learned over the past 18 months. Certainly new assistants have helped, but there is a noticeable change in the way we play, and you cannot deny that there is definite growth in many individuals.
@mariner4life well, the luck of the Irish forced the coaching changes (so yeah, luck wrong word there) but this helped with the forward play, while injury to Havili (unlucky for him) forced the positional switch of JB, alkong with some other injuries, so those have assisted with getting the peices of the puzzle to fit.
I mean what happened last year or so with the coaches was pretty unprecedented for the ABs, so I dont think you could put what happened into a plan that was ever divised by anyone, so yeah luck is the wrong word, but some decisions were made, that were not of Fosters doing or part of any plan.
I still maintain some of the play last year v the Irish was up there as some of the worst I have seen from the ABs, but that is just my opinion.
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In 2016 my afl team Richmond had a very disappointing season, after an intense review end of the year , the head coach kept his job , but they changed the assistants around him .
They also completely changed the game plan, they went on to win 3 of the next 4 premierships .
Now I’m not saying it’s the same and we are heading for the same success, but it is feeling a bit similar at this point in time.
