Rugby World Cup general discussion
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I hate myself for agreeing with Nasty Sonja, but I agree with Sonja.
https://x.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1691732423657066912?s=46
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
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@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
Just look at how pathetic Sexton's sentence was, and halve it
Seriously if I'd said that to a match official here in club land I'd get 6 weeks and probably 12.
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
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i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
From memory, Low End for dangerous tackle starts at 2 weeks. No reduction in this case as he's a repeat offender and should have learned his lesson at tackle school.
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Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
Except he's being obtuse ot outstandingly ignorant. Community rugby has a clear guideline for waist or below.
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
That's not a bad idea at all Chim, same if it's wanted to increase the sentence, can still have a judiciary hearing. Though to be fair should still be in same timeline etc.
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
What you seem to be suggesting is basically that the ref/bunker also becomes a judicial officer who can impose suspensions. To me that would be unacceptable. There should always be a fair hearing to establish guilt first.
It would be similar to a cop arresting someone caught in the act of committing a criminal offence and already imposing a minimum sentence without the arrested person first getting a fair trial to establish guilt, where the prosecutor has to submit the evidence to an independent court. Nobody would accept a cop becoming judge & jury.
To me this isn't any different, especially because we've seen again and again how bad officiating can be and how TMOs make mistakes. It would also put refs/TMOs under unnecessary pressure. Good, experienced refs could probably handle that, but you only have to think about all the abuse Ben O'Keefe received after the SRP final and you can see the problem.
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@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
What you seem to be suggesting is basically that the ref/bunker also becomes a judicial officer who can impose suspensions. To me that would be unacceptable. There should always be a fair hearing to establish guilt first.
It would be similar to a cop arresting someone caught in the act of committing a criminal offence and already imposing a minimum sentence without the arrested person first getting a fair trial to establish guilt, where the prosecutor has to submit the evidence to an independent court. Nobody would accept a cop becoming judge & jury.
To me this isn't any different, especially because we've seen again and again how bad officiating can be and how TMOs make mistakes. It would also put refs/TMOs under unnecessary pressure. Good, experienced refs could probably handle that, but you only have to think about all the abuse Ben O'Keefe received after the SRP final and you can see the problem.
@Stargazer yeah mandatory sentencing isnt ideal
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@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
What you seem to be suggesting is basically that the ref/bunker also becomes a judicial officer who can impose suspensions. To me that would be unacceptable. There should always be a fair hearing to establish guilt first.
It would be similar to a cop arresting someone caught in the act of committing a criminal offence and already imposing a minimum sentence without the arrested person first getting a fair trial to establish guilt, where the prosecutor has to submit the evidence to an independent court. Nobody would accept a cop becoming judge & jury.
To me this isn't any different, especially because we've seen again and again how bad officiating can be and how TMOs make mistakes. It would also put refs/TMOs under unnecessary pressure. Good, experienced refs could probably handle that, but you only have to think about all the abuse Ben O'Keefe received after the SRP final and you can see the problem.
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FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
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FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Rugby World Cup news:
FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
No. Impose the appropriate punishment and attack the admin.
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@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
What you seem to be suggesting is basically that the ref/bunker also becomes a judicial officer who can impose suspensions. To me that would be unacceptable. There should always be a fair hearing to establish guilt first.
It would be similar to a cop arresting someone caught in the act of committing a criminal offence and already imposing a minimum sentence without the arrested person first getting a fair trial to establish guilt, where the prosecutor has to submit the evidence to an independent court. Nobody would accept a cop becoming judge & jury.
To me this isn't any different, especially because we've seen again and again how bad officiating can be and how TMOs make mistakes. It would also put refs/TMOs under unnecessary pressure. Good, experienced refs could probably handle that, but you only have to think about all the abuse Ben O'Keefe received after the SRP final and you can see the problem.
@Stargazer well put. I was just about to write something along those lines.
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FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
@Old-Samurai-Jack it sure is boring, but it is his fault for being shit at tackle technique, and he is now shining a light on the inconsistency of these judiciary.
So he is a 'victim' of his lawyers success...
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FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Rugby World Cup news:
FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
....except he's a bit of a thug that likes to shoulder charge blokes....so not some innocent thats been done over by the system
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Rugby World Cup news:
FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
No. Impose the appropriate punishment and attack the admin.
@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Rugby World Cup news:
FFS! This Farrell shite is boring as f%#k. The inconsistency of the rulings isn't Farrell's fault. Let the lad play and attack the admin.
No. Impose the appropriate punishment and attack the admin.
I get it wasn't the appropriate punishment but what is Farrell meant to do as a player? Christian-style self-flagellation?
