All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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It won't happen now unless injuries occur but there's a serious argument to put DMac at 15. DMac has a better boot than Beauden and is much quicker.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
It won't happen now unless injuries occur but there's a serious argument to put DMac at 15. DMac has a better boot than Beauden and is much quicker.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Sam Cane’s underwhelming captaincy is a massive concern. I don’t think he’s strong enough of a leader to take us to the World Cup.
Fellas, a bit of calm aye? Both have been very good this year, one game where everything went wrong shouldn't change that, particularly with Barrett. McKenzie would have been just as crap playing behind that beaten pack.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Ive seen it before, many times.
Really? When? Never to this degree imo.
South Africa regularly monstered us in that fashion. Especially in the ELV days.
But we would stay in the game. Get down their end. Kick our pens.
The amount of games we won by less than a score.
Wee can't do that if we are in our own 22 for the whole match.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Ive seen it before, many times.
Really? When? Never to this degree imo.
South Africa regularly monstered us in that fashion. Especially in the ELV days.
But we would stay in the game. Get down their end. Kick our pens.
The amount of games we won by less than a score.
Wee can't do that if we are in our own 22 for the whole match.
The press got excited by our kicking game beating the Boks. Our exits are shit. Gifting position. It’s a bullshit strategy kicking short when you are under pressure.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Even if he does win the cup, this is not good enough.
Really? I'd have thought winning the RWC would come before a warm-up game.
Yes because ABs should be better than this, the RWC is top priority but it is not everything
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Yes because AB forwards should be better than this,
FIFY
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One bonus is there is absolutely no expectation from me we will win this WC, probably first time I have ever gone into a WC feeling that. I can enjoy the cup without pressure and if we do turn it around I will be stoked.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
One bonus is there is absolutely no expectation from me we will win this WC, probably first time I have ever gone into a WC feeling that. I can enjoy the cup without pressure and if we do turn it around I will be stoked.
I felt that with last RWC I was hopeful there was some dry powder, but not optimistic. I have Hansen benefit of the doubt, not this time tho
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Ive seen it before, many times.
Really? When? Never to this degree imo.
South Africa regularly monstered us in that fashion. Especially in the ELV days.
But we would stay in the game. Get down their end. Kick our pens.
The amount of games we won by less than a score.
Wee can't do that if we are in our own 22 for the whole match.
The press got excited by our kicking game beating the Boks. Our exits are shit. Gifting position. It’s a bullshit strategy kicking short when you are under pressure.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Ive seen it before, many times.
Really? When? Never to this degree imo.
South Africa regularly monstered us in that fashion. Especially in the ELV days.
But we would stay in the game. Get down their end. Kick our pens.
The amount of games we won by less than a score.
Wee can't do that if we are in our own 22 for the whole match.
The press got excited by our kicking game beating the Boks. Our exits are shit. Gifting position. It’s a bullshit strategy kicking short when you are under pressure.
There's very few strong distance kickers in the country - been a problem for years.
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@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
Back to Ofa and Nepo as the reserve props (depending on Lomax's injury). de Groot is still an unco around the field, the penalty he conceded at the breakdown a good example of that.
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One bonus is there is absolutely no expectation from me we will win this WC, probably first time I have ever gone into a WC feeling that. I can enjoy the cup without pressure and if we do turn it around I will be stoked.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
One bonus is there is absolutely no expectation from me we will win this WC, probably first time I have ever gone into a WC feeling that. I can enjoy the cup without pressure and if we do turn it around I will be stoked.
You had expectation we would win in 1999 after getting destroyed in Sydney in an eerily similar scoreline to this game pre RWC?
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Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
Back to Ofa and Nepo as the reserve props (depending on Lomax's injury). de Groot is still an unco around the field, the penalty he conceded at the breakdown a good example of that.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
Back to Ofa and Nepo as the reserve props (depending on Lomax's injury). de Groot is still an unco around the field, the penalty he conceded at the breakdown a good example of that.
de Groot isn't perfect around the field, but listen to what Jason Ryan has to say. Test rugby isn't won by having props who can run riot with ball in hand, the improvements in the All Blacks correlate to him returning to the fray.
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I didn't get to watch the game. But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I didn't get to watch the game.
You really missed out on an object lesson on piss-poor forward play
But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
Bit of a one-off off day hopefully.
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I didn't get to watch the game. But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I didn't get to watch the game. But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
I dunno but we certainly looked shit all of a sudden ,
It was a pre 2023 performance
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Those who raving about Bo’unga finally working before the game, how do you feel now? These guys cannot get us in a position to turn things around, so unless our forwards get on top of teams early, we are going nowhere.
People have seriously discussed changing the AB selection policy to keep Mo’unga in the team. What a fucking joke. He’s not even Aaron Cruden good, let alone Carter good.
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@Tordah Exactly. It's a meaningless game at the end of the day. Rather it happens here than in the QF.
@African-Monkey we just got humped by a record score in the lead up. Are you serious? This is Foster ball all over. Top team haven't played for a few weeks and rolls out the B/C side in Dunedin, another two weeks off and the top team gets humped. And then we have France after another two weeks off. France would put 70 on us with a two man advantage.
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Our weaknesses exposed:
- kicking game flawed, high risk
- high tempo game relies on winning contact
- Jordie Barrett still makes poor decisions
- reserve locks
Scott Barrett unlucky with both yellow cards. Got tackled into halfback. Clean out on ground was penalty.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Our weaknesses exposed:
- kicking game flawed, high risk
- high tempo game relies on winning contact
- Jordie Barrett still makes poor decisions
- reserve locks
Scott Barrett unlucky with both yellow cards. Got tackled into halfback. Clean out on ground was penalty.
Jordie may make poor decisions but he is a big lump and least he is going forward or falling forward in contact. Similar impact on defence (for the most part).
Havili and ALB will be catnip for the NH back rows. ALB wasn't the answer 4 years ago. He has no wheels, no offload game, no kicking game and no physicality.
We have seen this movie before.
Its Jordie and Rieko or bust at this stage and I say that as someone who thinks Rieko isn't a centres arsehole.
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Well done Boks.
ABs played poorly. Boks took their chances.
Bring on the World Cup
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Those who raving about Bo’unga finally working before the game, how do you feel now? These guys cannot get us in a position to turn things around, so unless our forwards get on top of teams early, we are going nowhere.
People have seriously discussed changing the AB selection policy to keep Mo’unga in the team. What a fucking joke. He’s not even Aaron Cruden good, let alone Carter good.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Those who raving about Bo’unga finally working before the game, how do you feel now? These guys cannot get us in a position to turn things around, so unless our forwards get on top of teams early, we are going nowhere.
People have seriously discussed changing the AB selection policy to keep Mo’unga in the team. What a fucking joke. He’s not even Aaron Cruden good, let alone Carter good.
You could have put any first five you like behind that pack and they'd have looked shit. Very hard in the modern game for a first five to play well behind a beaten pack because of the rush defence.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
Back to Ofa and Nepo as the reserve props (depending on Lomax's injury). de Groot is still an unco around the field, the penalty he conceded at the breakdown a good example of that.
de Groot isn't perfect around the field, but listen to what Jason Ryan has to say. Test rugby isn't won by having props who can run riot with ball in hand, the improvements in the All Blacks correlate to him returning to the fray.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
de Groot isn't perfect around the field, but listen to what Jason Ryan has to say.
After tonite's performance, I'll give that a miss for a week or two.....
