All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham

[mariner4life]

On the game overall, it took an age!!!! Fuck ref and TMO that was a shit spectacle. The first half especially was NFL. Set piece to set piece and whistle.

No issue with the penalties they were there, but with the TMO it just takes so fucking long. And I'm not sure all really needed to be blown.

If this is the standard for the world cup it's gonna be a bit of a grind

[mariner4life]

Kolisi is fucking class. Often underappreciated glue player. Great leader of a national side.

There is no one in NZ rugby with this level of mana right now.

[Frank]

Well.....this team sure knows how to get expectations super low before a World Cup.

[taniwharugby]

@Steve I think we will absolutely be better, don't think it is possible to be that poor again, but if we will be good enough to win a 1/4 and back it up to win a semi, that is the bigger question (without even thinking about a final)

[Steve]

I wouldn't have Beauden Barrett in the 23 on current form.

I really want to be wrong and I repeatedly read or hear things about how he has quietly played a blinder or organises the D better than anyone else but I just don't see it. I think his incumbency is taking the place away from in form game breakers.

11. Telea
12. Jordie
13. Rieko
14. Narawa
15. Jordan

Roigard DMAC and Leicester on the bench if a 5/3 split

[Rancid Schnitzel]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

Haven't finished the game
Haven't read the thread

I assume everyone is taking the advantage to blame this on Ian Foster

That's deluded. This is 100% an individual performance issue. The players let themselves down very fucking badly tonight. Very fucking badly. Dumb fucking penalties, missed tackles, missed ruck assignments, dropped balls. Have a look in the fucking mirror boys because you let your coaches down today.

You fucking assume wrong. Fucking.

The players seem to be copping the vast majority of the blame.

[KiwiMurph]

Yeah i really struggle to see what Beauden brings these days. He's no longer fast, he doesn't have a long kicking game and is now shy in contact.

[Steve]

I can understand bringing on a Havili or ALB if we are up by 15. But losing by 15 and that's all you have to turn to......not gonna cut the mustard.

[Steve]

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

Yeah i really struggle to see what Beauden brings these days. He's no longer fast, he doesn't have a long kicking game and is now shy in contact.

Its walking like a duck and quacking like a duck im afraid.

[ploughboy]

jordan was not flash in dunedin. not sticking up forBB just saying

[SBW1]

@Rancid-Schnitzel Exactly and from memory that is what Israel Dagg was very good at,i which helped us win.

[Steve]

@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

jordan was not flash in dunedin. not sticking up forBB just saying

Hasn't been given anywhere near enough time in the saddle at 15.

Did we really need to see this much of Beaudy, Aaron Smith, Savea, Coles for example over the last two years?

4 years on from the last World Cup dual pivot debacle and we still have Beaudy at 15, ALB still floating around, a winger at 13, Aaron Smith being played into the ground. No back up locks. No one with any meaningful minutes at 8 other than Savea. Next cab off the rank is Sotutu and he was jettisoned. Then Sowakula and he was Jettisoned. No one with meaningful minutes at 7 this year other than Cane and we have had locks playing at 6 on and off until the last few matches.

DMAC is in, plays well then he is out. Samisoni is in, plays well, then he is out. Leicester is in , plays well and then he is out, Finau is in, plays well and then he is out.

Its doing them all a disservice.

I still don't know what to make of Jacobsen. I feel he hasn't had enough of a go.

[Rancid Schnitzel]

@SBW1 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

@Rancid-Schnitzel Exactly and from memory that is what Israel Dagg was very good at,i which helped us win.

It's also what kept him in the team when he lost his running game.

Now, it's: Let's run a blindside move off a 5 metre scrum...and then get the winger pushed over the touchline at the 22...

Obviously I don't like Foster. And he's fat. But I can't believe he's instructing them to do stupid shit like that.

[taniwharugby]

@Rancid-Schnitzel something we do alot is move left 2 phases then back right 2 phases...all we are doing is running into heavy traffic, need to go more or wider one way before pulling it back to spread the defence.

[Bovidae]

@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:

Quick stat look shows we only won 66% (10/15) of our lineouts. Fuuuuck.

We tackled at 83%. Won't win like that.

But surprisingly SA was even worse at 80%. You know what they say about stats...

[Frank]

How bad did Lomax's injury look. Missed that part.

[Darren]

@Frank

Looked like he ripped open a large flap of skin over his knee, not sure how much other damage was done

[Stargazer]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rugby-world-cup-2023/2023/08/rugby-world-cup-ian-foster-gives-update-on-tyrel-lomax-injury-as-prop-goes-down-in-record-defeat-to-south-africa.html

[Steve]

https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1695194208888332741?s=20

Vermuelen is it? Punching Jacobsen 3 times in the head.

The third of which seemed particularly forceful.

[taniwharugby]

@Stargazer I assume Fozzie means he won't be unavailable for the RWC, not the French test?

And while Lomax will need to be medically assessed after the defeat, Foster said he doubts that the 27-year-old will be unavailable come France.

"Tyrel's pretty bad, actually," said Foster post-match. "He's got quite a big cut, it's right through into the muscle of the thigh.