All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Call me hindsight Harry, but I wanted to post something fairly similar when I saw the bench.
It was made worse by the fact that Bok 23 was named well in advance. Nche is probably the Bok's best scrummaging LH, and same can be said for Nbonambi at hooker. And Nyakane their no. 2 TH. With serious power in second row.
Both Vaa'i and Lord are LH locks, so it ought to have been clear second half scrums were going to be a BIG challenge.
So Nepo and Ofa ought to have been a given.
Likewise, Finau would have been closest LFL swap for Frizell.
Of course, that's assuming to win the Qatar Cup was the priority.
Obviously not. At the cost of the Baby Blacks getting a spanking in second half, TWM have learned some pretty important lessons for French game, one being that the mobile, looser, forwards which prosper in Super get found out against the top level in the tight.
The biggest issue is the injury squeeze with BBBR and Frizell, as that leaves us without a heavy duty 6.
To paraphrase the Matrix, 'Tell me, Mr. Foster, what good is a gamebreaking winger, if you're unable to secure any pill?'.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Call me hindsight Harry, but I wanted to post something fairly similar when I saw the bench.
It was made worse by the fact that Bok 23 was named well in advance. Nche is probably the Bok's best scrummaging LH, and same can be said for Nbonambi at hooker. And Nyakane their no. 2 TH. With serious power in second row.
Both Vaa'i and Lord are LH locks, so it ought to have been clear second half scrums were going to be a BIG challenge.
So Nepo and Ofa ought to have been a given.
Likewise, Finau would have been closest LFL swap for Frizell.
Of course, that's assuming to win the Qatar Cup was the priority.
Obviously not. At the cost of the Baby Blacks getting a spanking in second half, TWM have learned some pretty important lessons for French game, one being that the mobile, looser, forwards which prosper in Super get found out against the top level in the tight.
The biggest issue is the injury squeeze with BBBR and Frizell, as that leaves us without a heavy duty 6.
To paraphrase the Matrix, 'Tell me, Mr. Foster, what good is a gamebreaking winger, if you're unable to secure any pill?'.
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
At least papalii is there to lead the resistance
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
Will be interesting to see if the yellow is rescinded if there was no illegal contact.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
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@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
See the previous reply
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
No attempt to bind
Off feetYeah, that is less legal ...
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
and Conrad’s coolness
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
I don’t mind the fact that someone in our team felt compelled to whack Marx, even if it was a bit of a cheap shot - but it was just on the wrong side of the line between enforcement and grubbery given Marx was prone - if he’d done something similar while Marx was standing in the ruck we’d all be applauding it
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dry powder but dry milk powder
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Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kiwiinmelb it was De Groot the first time.
Yeah was second time
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kiwiinmelb it was De Groot the first time.
Yeah was second time
Frans dropped the second scrum after EDG got under him.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
He got tackled into the halfback by a Bok. Argue the Bok was offside when he did it.
Seems like the attacking team rarely gets penalised at lineouts.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Time stamp?
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Private Frazer: “We’re dooooooooooomed.”
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Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
What absolute nonsense. It was a clear Yellow Card. Jeff Wilson has become the king of defending the indefensible.
