The Breakdown (TV Show)
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that
actually, it really has. You get insights on here you don't get elsewhere - but modern Rugby moves very very fast. What you don't get is any sort of meaningful analysis in main stream media.
Think about it: die hard rugby fans, many season ticket holders, but there are no 'must watch' tv shows between games. NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences. NFL has traformed itself into a 12 month enteratinment package, despite only playing 5 meaningful months a year. Rugby is the opposite - 11 months of blegh.
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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All comes down to money in the end.
Would take a big investment of time and resources to turn around an analysis driven show in quick order.
Those 1014 guys did it themselves and it wasn’t quick. Also wasn’t sustainable.
Maybe an early week show with some talk points from the weekend, what the results mean towards the end game, what is coming up, who might be rested, who got injured etc
A play analysis show mid week. Pick up on new plays/tactics. What is working for teams and where they might be going wrong. Could also update the injury info and provide some season stats to pump players and create interest.
Trying to cover all of that stuff and failing because the focus is on sound bites and opinions isn’t working. If they did those other shows then there is room for the opinion stuff as a separate show.
Also more package pieces on players and coaches would be welcome. Where they’ve come from, an interview etc -
The problem with this show is just as much due to the hosts and guests as with the content. Wilson is the only main host who adds some value, and even he can't save it. I watched it briefly for the second time this year when Stanway was hosting and Bates was one of the guests. I swear he was only there to make JK look intelligent.
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Although it wasn't Breakdown, I really enjoyed the after game of the Canes /Tahs last night, thought the interviews with Holland and Darren Coleman in particular was good, Coleman/Wilson and Perenara were discussing tastics and what's going worng for Tahs in a real interetsing (for me anyway) way, no smartarse just talking about what was going wrong etc. Enjoyed whole thing really.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky I watched it , what did he say? I didn't notice him say anything controversial.
Did enjoy listening to Hansen, and his take on Wallabies, though I think he was just assuring Rancid and a few other posters he didn't actually coach Wallabies, and he would be telling Foster how Wallabies saw they needed to prep against French. Actually thought the most interesting thing he said was about Wallabies missing having leadership group as such . -
And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown
Isn't this every week?
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Marijuana, Mosque Shootings, Vaping, Rugby…..wow is there anything Paddy Gower ISN’T an authority on ?
You’ve really got to bow to his amazingness in every way.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Take a deep breath, Helen Lovejoy. You want a public apology for that? Good grief.
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@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Take a deep breath, Helen Lovejoy. You want a public apology for that? Good grief.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky I understand your point, but I doubt any team will get any extra motivation from what an ex AB says on a rugby programme. I must admit to watching Breakdown without being a huge fan (I just watch rugby stuff anywhere), bit by christ I watched a lot of them while in living in Aussie, and never once thought 'gee the ABs will get fired up after that comment'. I think if a coach or present player says something you can use, but I doubt whether all this put on dressing room wall is really anything. We get Stuart Barnes, etc saying stuff rubbishing ABs (and plenty more) I would assume ABs wouldn't even read it and if did, would shrug shoulders. I used to laugh when mates would say that about Kearnsie, Marto ,Kafe, Harrison etc in Aus, it's their opinion, were paid to give it and if it's what players use to get fired up, then players got probkems.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
merde! i was going to cruise through this World Cup opener against Nouvelle Zelande, but now that a former player said some shit on a TV show i don't watch, i might actually smash someone
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Shock horror. Sports show commercial TV panel features provocative commentary from former player. What do you think these guys are paid to do, for goodness sake? If they turned up in tweed jackets, sagely nodding and sounding reasonable and measured, how do you think the ratings would go? These players turned pundits are paid to have strong opinions and express them emphatically with the intention of appalling half the audience and enthralling the other half. That’s what the media is for. It’s an attention-generating business. Your job as a sports broadcaster is to generate engagement so that the company you work for can sell maximum eyeballs to advertisers at the highest yield. And you do that by making big statements that get shared through tweets like Andy Goode’s.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
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Shock horror. Sports show commercial TV panel features provocative commentary from former player. What do you think these guys are paid to do, for goodness sake? If they turned up in tweed jackets, sagely nodding and sounding reasonable and measured, how do you think the ratings would go? These players turned pundits are paid to have strong opinions and express them emphatically with the intention of appalling half the audience and enthralling the other half. That’s what the media is for. It’s an attention-generating business. Your job as a sports broadcaster is to generate engagement so that the company you work for can sell maximum eyeballs to advertisers at the highest yield. And you do that by making big statements that get shared through tweets like Andy Goode’s.
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@His-Bobness it would be nice if they were paid to provide some actual analysis, or asked some hard questions of the ABs. Even if you're cynical and think the former too hard for the masses, the latter should generate some attention.
@reprobate There are plenty of YouTube experts who provide more granular analysis, but the fact is that the vast majority of punters just want their prejudices confirmed, which is the nature of mass media markets everywhere (not just NZ, by the way). Agree, though, that NZ’s ‘official’ rugby media is a tad too close to the people who run the game. I think that’s even more true of the Aotearoa rugby pod, where the bench of Parsons and Hall, as contemporaries of the current generation of players, are really unable to offer frank and fearless objective opinion and analysis.
In Australia, a lot of the commentators also see it almost as their duty to talk the Wallabies up and be part of the corporate marketing machine for the ARU. In the case here, though, that’s a reflection of the hugely competitive sporting market in the winter codes and the fact that union has been on the slide for years. Having said that, I do think Nine’s Stan has improved the coverage than when it was under the miserable Murdoch Fox umbrella.
The economics of media is against any significant change in sports coverage. Legacy media’s business model got busted two decades ago by the internet. Since then, the old Chinese walls between ownership, advertising and editorial have broken down. Media ‘properties’ have largely become allied to the commercial imperatives of owners and advertisers. Independent analysis and journalism becomes a fringe activity outside the mainstream.
It’s analogous to the trajectory of neoliberal capitalism for the last 30 to 40 years. Rugby itself is being hollowed out by big money seeking short-term returns. Either way, the public suffers.
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@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
There are. But it ain’t sensible to lower to their level.
The respect the All Blacks have built internationally over years is for being classy (speaking humbly in interviews, respecting opponents, signing lots of autographs with kids etc.).
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