All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
i may have made this up, doesnt Jordie have a big boot?
He used to have. Probably still in the top part of NZ kickers but that isn't saying too much. I wonder if there is a dearth of good kicking coaches in NZ.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I wonder if there is a dearth of good kicking coaches in NZ.
The kicking coach for the ABs will be the same person who does that role at the Chiefs - David Hill.
That suggests it's more about the players for the ABs and their lack of execution/ability. The best clearing kick from an AB in this match was from a guy playing his second test, not the three experienced starters.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Probably because the Blues spend so much time defending because of
Average number of tackles attempted per game shows the Blues actually defended less per match
I think the kicking stats are exactly what they appear to be. McKenzie kicked further than anyone else & Mou'nga gets credit for things he doesn't do
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Probably because the Blues spend so much time defending because of
Average number of tackles attempted per game shows the Blues actually defended less per match
I think the kicking stats are exactly what they appear to be. McKenzie kicked further than anyone else & Mou'nga gets credit for things he doesn't do
I think the Chiefs have the best game suited to test rugby of the Super sides - the Saders are based on an accuracy and discipline (or indiscipline?) that our top team can't replicate at the level above.
If we must have game breaker rocks/diamonds players across our team, how about we at least try to play in the right end of the field to keep the ball in front of our forwards and let our weapons try their luck without so much on the line?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Probably because the Blues spend so much time defending because of
Average number of tackles attempted per game shows the Blues actually defended less per match
I think the kicking stats are exactly what they appear to be. McKenzie kicked further than anyone else & Mou'nga gets credit for things he doesn't do
Agree, RM does not tend to kick long for the Saders, not sure where this idea came from. The closest he got to it was from penalties where he was encouraged to go for distance but that seems to have died off too (maybe because he missed touch a fair bit?)
It seemed the Saders used the short up and unders to exit a fair bit too, so those expecting a big change in that department under Razor may be disappointed.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Agree, RM does not tend to kick long for the Saders, not sure where this idea came from.
It makes no sense to me. It's a stubborn myth though.
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Crusaders play a much more conservative game come finals time. There is a lot of NH aerial ping pong ( esp. against the Chiefs as no team wanted to play anywhere near their 22). SS is a clever kicker by the way. Even in the Aussie test, he mixed it up when he found his mojo in the 2nd half.
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@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop seems to have escaped Foster and Co, as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop seems to have escaped Foster and Co, as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
Except this time the quarters are the hard game, if we win that I'm very confident we will win the semi. However we will be out in the quarters
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
Except this time the quarters are the hard game, if we win that I'm very confident we will win the semi. However we will be out in the quarters
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
Except this time the quarters are the hard game, if we win that I'm very confident we will win the semi. However we will be out in the quarters
I can't presume anything with this team
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So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
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So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
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So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
Italian Rugby has made big strides in recent years. They will have been targeting that game since the draw came. They are a very proud sporting nation. Defeating the All Blacks would be their Everest.
It will be the same referee.
We should take nothing for granted.
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Is anyone watching Winning Time?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10244600/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_3_nm_5_q_winn
The first four episodes of the second season deal with the current NZ situation
The coach's 'system' versus a more free form, 'play what's in front of you' player led game
Different sports but the sentiment is similar
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
Until the knock out rounds...
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@DaGrubster they've also had 4 years of record setting and haven't they done well. All we need is a first ever pool loss and and to not make it out of our pool all which are possibilities under Foz.
First one yes, 2nd one no.
They will have their qtr final and let’s see where we are at….or not as the case may be
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
I agree that this year, when the money has been on the line we have come through
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
We sat two rows back from him on Friday. Could watch replays on his monitor!
